#: 3284 S7/Telecommunications 05-May-90 11:23:01 Sb: #Modem problems Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: [F] Wayne Day 76703,376 (X) Wayne: I don't know if you can help me or not, but I have a problem with my setup for telecommunications. First, the problem. For some reason, I'm not able to call up my term software, dial the number, then go on line. If I do, nothing will transmit through my comm port. It recieves, but nothing is sent. There is still full control of all the program commands, but when the program is exited, it locks up the window. The way it has to be done is. Load the program into memory, dial number, execute program. An example is. Load sterm Dial (CIS #) wait for CD and switch on modem Sterm If it is done this way, there is no problem. Everything works fine, and when I exit the program, the window still works. The problem seems to be in the switching on of the modem when the program is active. I don't know if it is sending a surge or something on connection that is causing this, but I would like to get it fixed if I could. This is what I'm using. A Coco 3 512K,Disto Super Controller I with 3in1 board, and a Tandy Modemphone 300. I have two versions of Sterm (1.2, 1.3), Xcom9, and Osterm. The same thing happens on all of them, so it would seem to be something in the hardware. If you are at a loss, maybe you know someone who might be able to help. >Lute< There are 2 Replies. #: 3293 S7/Telecommunications 05-May-90 13:38:42 Sb: #3284-Modem problems Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) Lute - If nothing is sent, try configuring your modem to: o - Always assume DTR is on (or IGNORE it) o - Force a CARRIER DETECT at all times See what that gets you... Pete #: 3347 S7/Telecommunications 07-May-90 18:40:13 Sb: #3284-#Modem problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) Lute, Have you tried it with the modem turned on prior to executing Sterm, but before dialing? If that works then the problem may be with DSR. Which serial driver are you using, ACIAPAK? What kind of cable do you have between your modem and the serial port? Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 3364 S7/Telecommunications 08-May-90 20:37:31 Sb: #3347-#Modem problems Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill: With the Modemphone when you engage the modem the dialer is disabled. It seems to be a quirk is this hardware setup. When I was running under DECB through the bitbanger it never gave me any trouble. I'm useing ACIAPAK with the patch that comes on the Disto disk with the discriptors. I've also made the hardware hack with the diode that was in The Rainbow. I'm useing a Super Controller I with a 3 in 1 board, so that is my RS232 port. The Modemphone has the cable built in, you just plug it into the port. I do hope to be moving up to a 2400 baud auto answer/dial unit in the not too distant future, but until then... I dug out an old Modem I, and have logged on twice with no problem now. >Lute< There is 1 Reply. #: 3400 S7/Telecommunications 10-May-90 17:18:57 Sb: #3364-#Modem problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) Lute, Sounds like the problem is the modemphone. It must be handling one of the critical signals in a non-standard way, or at least in a way that the RS232 pak can't deal with (since the RS232 pak does some not so standard things). Not knowing anything about the modemphone, I can't guess what the problem might be. Since the Modem I works, I would suggest sticking with it until you get a chance to upgrade to a "real" modem :-) Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 3406 S7/Telecommunications 10-May-90 19:55:12 Sb: #3400-#Modem problems Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill: Yea, I kinda figured on doing that. BTW what would you suggest in the lines of a "real" modem? (For a guy with a Cray II appetite and a Coco budget.) All I've ever used is Tandy stuff. The Modemphone and the Modem I, so when it comes to this stuff I'm not real well versed. >Lute< There is 1 Reply. #: 3420 S7/Telecommunications 11-May-90 18:03:21 Sb: #3406-Modem problems Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 Lute, I don't know about anyone else, but the prices for 300/1200/2400 baud Hayes compatible modems were all close together, so I just bought the one with the longest warranty (5 years). Paul #: 3288 S7/Telecommunications 05-May-90 12:37:36 Sb: #3202-sterm.ar Fm: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Quite nicely. #: 3330 S7/Telecommunications 06-May-90 20:48:30 Sb: #RE 3293 Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: Pete Lyall Pete: I don't think that the carrier detect has anything to do with the problem. If the phone line is disconnected and the modem is turned on, you can hear that there is something being transmitted to the modem. There is no CD at that time. However if I switch off the modem, and turn it back on it locks up the transmit. Then when you exit the program it locks up the window. What is the DTR? How might I configure my modem to assume it is always on? I looked through my manual, and didn't notice anything on it. (I'm learning, but there's a long way to go yet.) >Lute< There are 2 Replies. #: 3344 S7/Telecommunications 07-May-90 18:38:17 Sb: #3330-#RE 3293 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) Lute, The RS232 pak requires high signal on DTR, CD and I think CTS before it will listen to a thing being sent to it. Depending on the modem, you can either flip a few dips or send a few commands to accomplish this task. My Hayes 2400 baud modem handles the task nicely with the command string of AT &C0 &D0. Older style modems have a switch you can filp to accomplish the same thing. Real old modems require a jumper of pins 6-8-20 on the cable. You might want to peruse Pete's disertation on serial communications in DL1 called SERIAL.TXT. It might shed some light. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3363 S7/Telecommunications 08-May-90 20:35:34 Sb: #3344-RE 3293 Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve: I don't have any trouble getting things in, it's sending stuff that is the problem. My screen will fill up with all kinds of good stuff until the host wants a reply of some type. IF you look up msg # 3284, you can see what is going on. However, I hooked up an old modem I that I picked up for "just in case" and have logged on twice now with no problems. Know anyone who wants a couple of Modemphone 300s. >Lute< #: 3385 S7/Telecommunications 09-May-90 19:21:12 Sb: #3330-#RE 3293 Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) ~ Lute, The problem you describe with transmit locking up, and then the program locking up when you try to quit, sounds like your modem isn't asserting DSR. In order for ACIAPAK to work properly with a modem, the modem must always assert DSR, or you must tie DSR on the RS-232 Pak so that it is always enabled. Usually people only have trouble with the 6551 ACIA (thats the one in the RS-232 Pak and clones) because they don't see any characters until the DCD line is enabled... but the DSR problem is even worse when you run into it. The way the ACIAPAK driver works, if DSR is or isn't enabled when the serial port, its OK... and transmit data works. Then, when the modem raises DSR when you first CONNECT, everything still works OK because DSR is valid and transmit is enabled. When the modem disconnects, if the DSR drops *THATS* when the problem occurs. The ACIAPAK driver sees that DSR is no longer valid, so it disables transmit data... which means you can no longer communicate with the modem to force DSR on (if your modem supports such a command), or to do anything else. Finally, when you quit the program it hangs up, because there's transmit data to be sent, and transmit is disabled, so the buffer can't be flushed. The best bet is to look in your modem manual for a DIP switch setting that'll always enable DSR, or to look for a command that'll do the same job. Bruce There is 1 Reply. #: 3405 S7/Telecommunications 10-May-90 19:53:52 Sb: #3385-#RE 3293 Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 (X) Bruce: The problem is only on start up. If I turn the modem on before the program is exicuted every thing seems to work fine. At the end of a session the modem can be shut off and the program will exit correctly. The problem seems to come only if the program is running when the modem is turned on. (Most of the time, not always) there has been a few times when every thing has worked OK. I have switch to using my old Modem I, it seems to be working properly. So I will stick to using this till I can upgrade to a more suitable unit. I'm using a Disto controller with a 3in1 board, and the ACIA is a 6551, however in the manual that comes with the board it says that the DSR and CTS to the ACIA are always enabled. If this is the case, then I shouldn't have the problem you mentioned should I? Bill Dickhaus seems to think the problem lies with the Modemphone. He feels it must be doing something on startup that something doesn't like. >Lute< There is 1 Reply. #: 3412 S7/Telecommunications 11-May-90 00:58:46 Sb: #3405-RE 3293 Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) ~ Lute, You're right... if the DSR on the 6551 ACIA is permanently tied to the enabled position, then what I described is not the problem. Since another modem works fine, your best bet is to use the one that works until you upgrade to a faster modem. When you do upgrade, I'd recommend an "AT" command set compatible modem. I'd recommend you stay away from the cheapest fast modems, but there's no need to go out and buy the most expensive, either... unless you absolutely need 100% Hayes compatibility. Bruce PS: I just threw in that "recommendation" because I saw your message asking Bill Dickhaus what modem to get. With most of the modems I've seen you get pretty much what you pay for. The cheap modems often have problems with noise that wouldn't bother a better (more expensive) modem, while the really expensive ones don't perform all that much better, at least not as much as you might expect from their substantially higher price. #: 3427 S7/Telecommunications 12-May-90 08:26:21 Sb: #3406-Modem problems Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 (X) Lute, I can't really recommend any one particular modem. My experience has been with a very inexpensive 2400 modem (Supra) that works, but is a little flakey, and with one of the older US Robotics Courier modems that is rock solid (but was almost $400). Bruce is right, though, avoid the really cheap ones, so plan to spend at least $150. DO NOT buy the US Robotics modem that is around $150, I have had nothing but trouble with two different versions of that model at work. Also Hayes modems seem to be overpriced. Bill #: 3429 S7/Telecommunications 12-May-90 10:26:24 Sb: #S-Term file loss Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Anyone I could swear that sometimes while using S-Term I lose my capture file. Usually I open /r0/name with the esc-C command. I close it before exiting S-Term. After exiting S-Term, sometimes it isn't there. Thought I might see if anyone else has this happen. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3431 S7/Telecommunications 12-May-90 11:01:18 Sb: #3429-#S-Term file loss Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Paul, The capture feature of STERM has been rock soild for me for years. Is it possible that you're miss-keying the path name and the file is actually ending up somewhere else? I've had that hhappen to me more times than I care to admit ;-) Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3461 S7/Telecommunications 13-May-90 15:07:49 Sb: #3431-S-Term file loss Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) You're right. After being very careful about closing the file each time the problem went away. There is also that phantom /ro typo. Paul #: 3467 S7/Telecommunications 13-May-90 18:29:06 Sb: #Q-Mail Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Anyone O.K. Anyone want to talk about a Q-mail reader for the Coco? Is one available or do we need one? Suggestions.... Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3470 S7/Telecommunications 13-May-90 20:51:57 Sb: #3467-#Q-Mail Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Ok, I'll bite .... what's a Q-MAIL ? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3489 S7/Telecommunications 14-May-90 18:03:50 Sb: #3470-#Q-Mail Fm: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) I'm not sure either. Apparently it's becoming popular on PC based BBS's. I was board bopping and called 201-334-2555 (Hacker's Central) in NJ. The board hung up early on me and I immediately got this voice phone call- it was an apology from the sysop. Anyway, we talked for awhile and he mentioned that if I had a Q-mail reader I could scan the somewhat large message bases very quickly. It seemed legit to me as I have run into 'Q-mail' on other boards. There was a weird member application question on this board "Who is the manufacturer of your CPU?" Since I said 'Motorola'I was asked what operating system I used. The sysop (Mike) was apparently familiar with this and knew I had a COCO at this point. Another thing weird is some of the boards I was calling supported 38K baud over the standard phone lines. I didn't know that was possible. Anyway, if no-one here knows how Q-mail works, I will make an effort to find out. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3529 S7/Telecommunications 16-May-90 16:30:19 Sb: #3489-Q-Mail Fm: J SILLIMAN 72355,1207 To: Paul Rinear 73757,1413 (X) Q-Mail is a door that IBM boards can use to download messages and read/reply to them offline. This door is great for long distance callers. It is very easy to use, and is fairly fast... I know this because I have used it before... I am sort of a mixed user #: 3490 S7/Telecommunications 14-May-90 20:21:07 Sb: WIZ Fm: John Dickey 76537,2631 To: Bill Brady Bill, In WIZ, is it possible by changing a byte at an offset from the start of the main program using DED, to change the default Printer path? What I would like to do is set it up for /T3. By doing this I will be able to send information out to a remote terminal or if I desire to a remote printer by using the transparent print function of the terminal. As a side note I am also sending a msg to Frank to get the descriptor and driver to allow WIZ to work with the Eliminator package. I do have the system presently configured for the non- polled interrupt mode. Any help you can give in this matter would be much appreciated. John /exit #: 3615 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-90 01:19:53 Sb: #Modem Problems Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: ALL Ok. I've made the change. A lot of people have been telling me to change to osterm. I have, and It is a very good program. Way to go Vaughn! But I have been plagued by a problem that I thought was due to Telstar, but still shows up under osterm 2.08. When I try to dial a local BBS #, my modem will not dial. It receives the codes because I can see the lights fl ash on the modem. But it won't dial. I have dialed this service, and a long distance bbs just a few minutes ago. I must admit I did have a problem dialing CIS this time. I am borrowing another rs232 pak now, so I t doesn't look like that is the problem. My MPI is modified. I am using a 1200 baud radio shack modem . I did notice that the 2 bbs's that I had problems dialing used 7 bit data, and the long distance bbs used 8 bit. Can a modem be sensitive to certain phone #'s. It seems like the only thing it can be is the modem. ANny ideas ? There is 1 Reply. #: 3650 S7/Telecommunications 21-May-90 10:39:17 Sb: #3615-Modem Problems Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 Tony - Biggest questions are: a) Is the RS232 pak in slot 1 in the multipak? b) Do you have the IRQ Hack installed. Also - if you haven't scanned SERIAL.TXT in DL2, it's worth reading. Pete #: 3628 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-90 14:33:27 Sb: #Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: ALL Hi, Having trouble getting 0S9 Level II to work with Wiz. It seems that the Multi-Pak, RS232-Pak, and modem are problem. I can't communicate with the modem. The MPI has been upgraded and all slots work. The RS232=Pak has been checked and is operating fine. So I must be doing something wrong. What have I missed that would not let the computer communicate with the modem (a Multi-Tech 224E Hayes compatible). The Pak is in slot 1. Thanks, Butch 76702,1126 There are 2 Replies. #: 3651 S7/Telecommunications 21-May-90 10:42:23 Sb: #3628-#Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch - It seems to be the day for serial troubles. If you haven't already looked, have a gander at SERIAL.TXT in DL2. Also, try one of the other term programs here that doesn't require its own device driver (i.e. Xcom9, Sterm, etc. in DL7). Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3671 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 09:23:09 Sb: #3651-#Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Pete, Thanks for the info. I will DL the file. Someone has told me that the light on my modem need to be on and it isn't. So I will check in to this and see if that is the problem. Thanks, Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3675 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 11:01:18 Sb: #3671-Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 Butch - very true.... because of the design, the CD line must be active to the RS232 pak in order to function properly. I'll bet that's it. Pete #: 3669 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 08:24:07 Sb: #3628-#Help Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch, You don't mention it, but let me ask: Doesn't Wiz require it's own special aciapak driver? Have you installed this and created a new bootfile? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3672 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 09:33:38 Sb: #3669-#Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hi Steve, Someone has told me that I need the light on for OS9 to work. At this time it only comes on when I have a connect. If this is correct then this must be the problem. I guess I need to find out how to force the to be on all the time. I sounds good to me. I know that the computer was not communicating thru the MPI to the RS-232Pak. Does this sound right? I am a end user, I just do what I have to to make it work. This is the hard way to go with OS9, but my computer knowledge is very limited. Thanks, Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3711 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 20:45:30 Sb: #3672-Help Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 Butch, The rs232 pak _requires_ Data Set Ready (DSR), Data Carrier Detect (DCD) and Clear to send (CTS) lines to be held high. This can be accomplished in different ways. If your modem is capable ...that's the easiest. Investigate the &C and &D commands. Another way would be to jumper line 6-8-20 together. Either will generally work. Steve #: 3634 S7/Telecommunications 20-May-90 20:48:17 Sb: #WizPro Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 To: 70126,267 (X) Bill I downloaded WizPro and I love it. I will soon write for the unabridged version. I do have a problem. I have a friend that has a Disto Super Controller II. I downloaded Proans.bin which I thought was a replacement for your standard ProAcia. He is not planning to use a multipak because he is installing his CoCo in an IBM case. He also has a 4 in 1 board. After making a new bootdisk with Proans.bin substituted, WizPro would run but not communicate with the modem (with no multipak), and would not run WizPro at all with the multipak. Did I download the wrong program or make some other mistake. I don't have the expertise to debug. Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated. Trucker Bob P.S. I noticed that the archive downloads were in a different arrangment than noted in the docs. There is no WizPr3.ar and no Nuhost. Was Nuhost deliberately left out or did I miss it somewhere? Thanks in advance. There is 1 Reply. #: 3677 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 12:13:24 Sb: #3634-WizPro Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 Hmmmm. I am not familiar with Proans.bin. That may be for the Eliminator??? To use the supercontroller II all you need to do is patch MWP so that the address for the port is FF54 instead of FF68. With modpatch you just change byte 10 from 68 to 54. On the reupload of pro, I just put it into two files vice 3. Let me know if you need more help. -BB #: 3719 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 23:02:23 Sb: #3650-Modem Problems Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Yes. The rs232 pak is in slot 1. I'll look into the IRQ hack as well as serial.txt. IT just doesn't seem possible that this would cause my modem to not be able to dial the Hound & Lion BBS. Just doesn't make sense. I can dial other numbers, reliably !! THANX TC #: 3725 S7/Telecommunications 22-May-90 23:44:08 Sb: OSTERM Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Vaughn Cato Vaughn. I reallly like osterm. I wisj [DI would have listened to everybody and switched over a long time ago. I have a few probelms I need help with (not my typos). Aas you can see there are a few funny chars. in this meaagssage, primarily ([D's. This happens when I press the left arrow while in osterm. Sometimes it will backspace, sometimes it wont. Also when I have selectes to receive a file while downloading, and the little window is displayed with the words pick lits, whenever I type in s a filename, the line gets erased and sometimes it will beep at me. I know there is not a file with the same name in that directory. I finally had to press break, hoping it would kill the program, because I could not get anywhere. When I hit break, it finally started to download. Is there a better version of the documentation available ? Keep up the good wokr. Looking forward to more excellent work from you. TC #: 3732 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 02:11:47 Sb: #3675-#Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Pete, Thanks for your help. I'm using Wiz and the RS232-Pak to send this message. I found a switch on the inside of the modem. The manual said the CTS is set to forced on at the factory. But it was set to off. This is a used modem, so someone has been inside. I was ready to give it up. Thanks, Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3735 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 10:42:59 Sb: #3732-Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch ... Good stuff. Glad to see you running. Pete #: 3733 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 02:15:12 Sb: #3711-#Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hi Steve, You are right. I read the manual and found a switch inside the modem that had been changed from the factory setting. It drove me nuts. But I'm run on OS9 and Wiz right now. Thank You for your help. Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3750 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 19:09:44 Sb: #3733-#Help Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) I just love a success story! Glad we were able to point you in the right direction. You did all the work. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3774 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 08:33:34 Sb: #3750-#Help Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hi Steve, Sure am glad that everyone here is here. Otherwise alot of OS9 users wouldn't be users. To many cracks to fall thru when learning OS9. I think everyone must need the help of old users. Thanks, Butch There are 2 Replies. #: 3777 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 10:12:03 Sb: #3774-#Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch - Probably true... In the old days when there were no OLD USERS (must be talking about you, Kevin ;^})... we had to light small fires, chant, and sacrifice small animals (mostly belonging to obnoxious neighbors..) to get things figured out. Things are surely a lot nicer now. A side anecdote: were you all aware that Kevin wasn't an _early_ os9 user? He was a staunch RSDOS-er. Worm has turned, eh? Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3786 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 19:27:40 Sb: #3777-#Help Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hey. Hey. Hey! I was never a "staunch" RSDOS-er. Just not an early OS9 user. I got it the moment it came out for the CoCo, but because I wasn't on a network, I didn't have anything I could really do with it at first (well, I did a partial CoCoMax clone in a pmode 4 screen which no one has ever seen ... each tool (brush/erasor/etc) was a different program which loaded on the fly - reason I built a 128K upgrade and wrote the first coco ramdisk driver for os9). But yep, I didn't use OS9 all the time. Pete was way ahead of us on that... of course , having a L-II box certainly helped there, eh?! There are 2 Replies. #: 3790 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 20:57:48 Sb: #3786-#Help Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) You build a 128K upgrade for the CoCo2? Neat! There is 1 Reply. #: 3791 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 22:54:26 Sb: #3790-Help Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Yeah, built a 128K coco-1 for myself and a friend. Then DSL (and later J&R) came out with commercial 128K upgrades, and DSL sold my ramdisk for L-I... which is how I met a lot of people like the LR Tech guys at my first fest: they knew my name from the ramdisk driver... which people had taken apart and used to help write hard disk drivers with! Funny thing is, I based my ramdisk driver on the hard disk driver published in Kilobaud magazine by.... Pete Lyall's old boss! Small world, eh? #: 3793 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 23:23:39 Sb: #3786-Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev - Actually, I didn't get the Gimix until about 1985. I was running on an 'E' board 32K that I hacked to 64K, a Wordpak I, and a PRO systems 10 MB hard disk. Prior to that, I had been running w/o the hard disk, but used a 40DSDD and 2 80DSDD's under Flex, using a borrowed VT-100 out of the serial port. Best damned bit banger driver I ever saw was in FLEX... 9600 baud FDX, if I recall. Before that...... nah.. Pete #: 3785 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 19:11:53 Sb: #3774-Help Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch, It's hard to forget the path we've traveled in the past. We've all been there. You'll get your turn to offer the tidbits soon enough. Glad things were so easy to fix! Steve #: 3734 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 09:49:03 Sb: H+L Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 Hi Tony, If it is the same Hound and Lion in Calif. it shut down. Paul is moving. It was a good BBS. And Paul was SysOp that eveyone would like to have running a BBS. Butch./EXIT #: 3738 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 14:12:35 Sb: #VT-100 Fm: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 To: Anyone Does anyone know of a Os9 Terminal program that does VT100 emuation? It has to be Os9 and I would like if it were not real big. (Need to run 2 other windows at the same time with programs). Wiz, I know has VT52 but I need Vt-100 thanks.. There is 1 Reply. #: 3749 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 19:04:48 Sb: #3738-VT-100 Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 (X) Try KBCom by Eddie Kuns. Currently it is shareware with a COmmercial version due out soon. Does VT100 GREAT!!! Zack #: 3764 S7/Telecommunications 23-May-90 23:16:13 Sb: #VT-100 Fm: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 To: 76407,1524 (X) KBComm sounds great. Where can I get it. I looked onCIS but it wasn't here. If I could download it that would be great. There is 1 Reply. #: 3778 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 16:53:56 Sb: #3764-#VT-100 Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 (X) I checked the libs after recommending it, and fer sure it ain't there. So I sent a message to the author "over there". If he OKs it, I will be submitting it tonight. Zack There is 1 Reply. #: 3783 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 19:00:48 Sb: #3778-#VT-100 Fm: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Zack, I asked the same question to Eddie a while back (about up-loading KBCOM here). He gave me a very definate YES!!! He also was surprised that it was not here already. I have not done it since I have been embroiled in other matters as of late. For what it is worth, you can go ahead. Eddie said that he had included this permission in the docs. If you have it on your machine, you can get your answer there. I have been forced into the MSDOS world since I moved last summer, and have not found a way to de-arc OS9 programs on this machine so I can't get to the docs for KBCOM without unpacking a lot of boxes and setting up the COCO3, which I should have done months ago. Hope this helps. Cheers, Don Spoon. There is 1 Reply. #: 3789 S7/Telecommunications 24-May-90 20:56:21 Sb: #3783-VT-100 Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Donald R. Spoon 76417,1302 (X) Thanks, will do! #: 3811 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 03:32:26 Sb: #3734-#H+L Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Yes it is in california. I used to live less than a mile from him, and I couln't dial his board. Beleive it or not I still cant. My system just won't dial his number. Aas for Paul, he is moving this weekend. So Ssorry his new residence only has 1 phone line and he won't be runnging his BBS. In fact I am using one of his modems right now, trying to figure out why I can't dial his old number. Wweo Wwierd stuff, this Os9. I did get to see his board run from his monitor. It is really fast. He has made a lot of modifications on his systerm and they really have helped. The diskmaster with the 1.5meg ramdisk was a big help. Too bad I won't be able to call it up. TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3843 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 19:09:37 Sb: #3811-#H+L Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Hi, It is to bad that Hound and Lion is shut down. Paul was very helpful to the new OS9 users. He should get another phone and fire it up. That leaves only Plain Rap for the Coco users. I think Plain Rap is about seven year old. That is old for a BBS. Most are up and down in no time. I think that a BBS is more work then most people think they are. Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3850 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 02:52:31 Sb: #3843-#H+L Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch, do you live in the area (southern California) ? I have never called plain rap, but since Paul is down, I'll probably be using it regularly. Yeah, Paul was very helpful to me. I'm using his rs232pak and 2400 bd modem now. These are just temporary though. I have a disto rs232 on the way. The reason Paul isn't getting his bbs running is because GTE wants big bucks to run another phone line in at his new residence. I can understand his point of view. Are you new on CIS. I don't remember seeing your name before. I've been on over a year, but I really want to switch over to Delphi, cuz i'm running up too many bills. Talk to you soon. TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3853 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 04:22:51 Sb: #3850-#H+L Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Hi TC, No, I've been on for aboar or more. OS9 is new for me. Used RS-DOS for the pasted three years. I'm a SysOp on the new PETS forum that has been running since the last of Feb. I live in Newhall. All BBSing is a toll call for me. I work to pay my Pacific Bell bill. It is a killer. I've heard the you can run up a big bill on Delphi. It isn't cheap. All in all I like CIS. Some nock it but they just want free BBSing. If you need Plain Rap's number let me know. They have some great people on there. Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3867 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 16:32:51 Sb: #3853-H+L Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 I have plain raps # but I can't seem to be able to stay on the line. I'm set up for 8 N 1 1200, but I don't see anything intelligab le. I don't get anything from him. I just installed the diode hak, and wanted to see if it was working. Wwell I called CIS ok, but I can't do anything on Jim's board. Maybe it's down. Do you have a voice # for him. ?? TC/exit #: 3812 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 03:39:14 Sb: #OSTERM Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Vaughn Cato Vaughn I tried to run some of my applications from my ramdrive, but when I try to run osterm from there, it responds with an 'unable to link to macro error' and just sits there. I have moved the options and ddir files to the RD as well. If I chx back to the hard drive, everything is ok. It seems as if I am missing a file or two, but I don't know what it is. Aalso I can't backspace bwhile in osterm because I get these characters [D. OOPs. Just had a revelation. My terminal was set for ansi, instead of tty. Now it works. I've been calling a lot of os9 boards lately and was using os9 grafx and ansi as well. Got to remeber to save that info. THANX. TC exit There is 1 Reply. #: 3821 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 07:21:36 Sb: #3812-#OSTERM Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Hmmm. I'm not sure Vaughn's on any network... just BBS's right now. I'll pass on your msg (if no one else does) tho. There is 1 Reply. #: 3831 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 12:16:41 Sb: #3821-OSTERM Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) WOuld you see if you could find a bbs # where I can contact him or a voice line # THANX TC #: 3815 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 03:59:16 Sb: #3774-Help Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Yep. They have pointed me in the right direction many times, but there are still lots of cracks out there, and I keep stepping in them. #: 3816 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 04:15:59 Sb: #3777-Help Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 Pete, Speaking of the old days, they just hired the guy who wrote the Dircopy program for Smoke Signal. He used to work at IBIS, and they did most of their work on OSK systems. Actualy we have been hiring a lot of peoplee from Ibis lateley. Anyway, Bruce showed me the source code for his program. I wonder if I could get it to work for the 80 column windows, it used to hang up in the interactive mode unless yoy were in /term. I would appreciate ANY help with this, as I am still learning about os9's windowing quirks! TC #: 3841 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 13:13:03 Sb: #IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232 Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: [F] Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) I just ordered the disto now halt controller with rs232 option since they were on sale and my rs232 pak is flaking out. How do I do the irqhak for an rs232 port in the disto NH controller ?? TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3847 S7/Telecommunications 26-May-90 22:23:54 Sb: #3841-#IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Tony - the SC-II manual I think shows a pin at one corner of the board ( near to the coco)... the rs232 port plugs into it, as this is the IRQ/CART pin. So that's also where you could run the irqhack from if you wished. If you have the diode hack (and it works for you) then you needn't worry. There is 1 Reply. #: 3851 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 03:02:00 Sb: #3847-#IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232 Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) I put the diode in and I think it was ok. I had some other hardware problems that made me think I had rs232 problems. But one day when I turned on my coco3 and all I got was garbage and could not reset the computer, I lifted up one end of the diode and the garbage went away. I bought the diode at RS. Maybe their parts are inferior or not up to spec. I heard that the diode hack did not work on ALL coco3's. Paul Pollocks computer locked up or something when he put it in. I still have one diode left and i'm running a completey new machine ($129), so maybe i'll fire up my soldering iron after breakfast and try the diode hak again. I am occasionally getting the incorrect time from my disto clock module when I start up shells in windows that I open from startup. The year usually comes up as 93, the rest of the date and time is ok. But when I time date,t SOMETIMES i get ?????, and the time. I had this problem before. It comes and goes. Maybe I should have thought twice before I ordered the SCII and rs232 ? TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3855 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 06:52:47 Sb: #3851-#IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Hmm... if you bought a pack of diodes from RS, they might indeed be bad. We found that was true with most of their transistor packs, for example. Individual units should be okay, tho. Some people get that time problem.. and durn it, someone else once mentioned a possible fix or reason for it.... but I can't remember it! Anybody? There is 1 Reply. #: 3868 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 16:37:20 Sb: #3855-IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232 Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 I talked to you about this problem awhile back. Maybe you forgot that it was me. I just put in the diode on this new machine. Sso far it seems to work. Please let me know if you hear more about that fix for the Disto clock. I don't think Tony is interested with system related problems, however if you port is bad he will fix it or test it (CRC will), but I don't think I would get much help from him regarding a software oriented problem (if that is what it is). 10 Q TC #: 3854 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 06:14:01 Sb: PT68K Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Scott Howell 70270,641 Hi Scott! Simmy said OK so I will mail his sc68681, Term, T1, T2 and T3 to you. One thing, they are set up for 19200 baud - you may have to change them. Ed #: 3862 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 10:48:22 Sb: VT100 Emulation Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: ALL KBCom.ar is now available in DL7. The best VT100 emulation program for OS9 Level 2 that I've seen. This is Shareware version. Commercial version due out sometime this summer. Written by Eddie Kuns. Zack #: 3872 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 16:50:12 Sb: #3677-WizPro Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 Bill I appreaciate the reply. I will make the patch and try it out. I probably downloaded the wrong file or ect. I will send soon for the complete package. T. Bob Press !>90 22:04:34 Sb: #3874-M$OS9Lvl query Fm: David George 72240,134 To: Robert Heller 71450,3432 (X) Thanks for both of your replies. The first is just what I needed. I was able to read the M$OS9Lvl in the INIT module. Actually M$OS9Lvl is a 4 byte value which holds lvl.ver.ver.rev For example on my system OSK v2.2 is reads 1220 For Level I ver 2.2 rev 0 #: 3876 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 17:31:28 Sb: #Remote term Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: All I downloaded LOGIN.AR a while ago, and have a few questions that need some answers that I can't find. The AR file is l*o*n*g on programs, but very short on information on how to set up a remote terminal. Is there a file in the libs that explains in a step-by-step manner how to go about setting this up? I'd like to connect the PCjr upstairs to the CoCo; from what I understand at this point, I need to cable the CoCo RS232 output to the parallel port on the jr and have a terminal program running on the jr. Is this a correct assumption on my part? What else do I need to do? ...Jim There is 1 Reply. #: 3879 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 21:22:26 Sb: #3876-#Remote term Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 (X) > ... need to cable the CoCo rs232 output to the parallel port on the jr ... Whoops! Jim, I hope you meant to the serial port on the jr. And yes ... it needs to be running some type of termianal program. Pete's file SERIAL.TXT in LIB 1 should fill in the gray areas, complete with cable diagrams. Give a shout if we can help. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 3903 S7/Telecommunications 28-May-90 14:51:19 Sb: #3879-Remote term Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) ~ Steve; Yeah, yeah, that's the one! Serial port. I knew that! It's been a while since I read SERIAL.TXT, hafta go back and pay attention this time! I'm sure I'll have more q's as I get into this, so stick around. I never kept any messages relating to re-addressing a 2nd RS232, so I'll definitely have some on that subject (unless I can get my hot little hands on an MM/1 before having to purchase another 232 for the CoCo). Figured on using an A/B box for now, just as a test environment. Thanks, ...Jim #: 3880 S7/Telecommunications 27-May-90 21:26:35 Sb: #3872-WizPro Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 (X) Lemme know if you need more... #: 3888 S7/Telecommunications 28-May-90 01:34:17 Sb: #3675-#Help Fm: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) hey pete, did I ask you if your bbs was still running so that i could keep ti on my list? best regards wayne COCOS9ER! There is 1 Reply. #: 3936 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 11:36:53 Sb: #3888-Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: WAYNE LAIRD 73617,3042 Wayne - Well, it's still running (has been since 1985 or so), but it's not really a BBS. There's mail & files, but the system is more like a unix system (i.e. no BBS'isms like message bases, games, privelege levels, etc.). Just OS9 (with some enhancements) doing its thing. Pete #: 3935 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 11:35:02 Sb: #3816-#Help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Hmmm... was 'dircopy' written in a Pascal flavor? I seem to remember something about that. Also, it SHOULD work anywhere, unless he specifically opened /TERM in his code. Have a look and see what you can find. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 3979 S7/Telecommunications 30-May-90 01:18:57 Sb: #3935-Help Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) no it was written in C. The Computerware version was written in Pascal, supposedly. I'll bring the sourve with me if I get a chan ce to come out & see your system. I think he did some 68K specific calls, but I'm not that sure about C & OS9 just yet. I really could use some pointers, and I don't mean *. TC #: 3892 S7/Telecommunications 28-May-90 02:31:38 Sb: #3867-#H+L Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Hi TC, I haven't had any problems with Plain Rap. Do you hit when you are connected? I know some of the OS9 BBS's are that way. I just don't know if I do it or not. I do know that Jim's board has no problems as of Sat. But something is wrong. Good Luck. Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3914 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 00:26:18 Sb: #3892-#H+L Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) I talked to Jim on Manday. Everything was ok on his end. I finally got logged in after about 6 calls. He called me back later that night. TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3927 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 09:20:25 Sb: #3914-#H+L Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Hi, What was the problem? Do you use Daynastar? I'm having a problem with it and was looking for someone that uses it. Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 3978 S7/Telecommunications 30-May-90 01:16:10 Sb: #3927-#H+L Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Paul Pollock uses it. His phone (voice) is still the same. TC There is 1 Reply. #: 3988 S7/Telecommunications 30-May-90 02:06:39 Sb: #3978-H+L Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) TC, Thanks, Butch #: 3893 S7/Telecommunications 28-May-90 02:52:04 Sb: #3854-#PT68K Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Hi Ed! Just thought I'd say hello on line -- haven't seen you in a while! Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3895 S7/Telecommunications 28-May-90 04:48:35 Sb: #3893-#PT68K Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Hi Paul! Good to hear from you. While I don't contribute much, I'm usually here every couple of days or so to see what's going on. While I have you, I didn't get your last mailing on the MM1. Looking forward to seeing it in August(?). Ed There is 1 Reply. #: 3899 S7/Telecommunications 28-May-90 13:37:56 Sb: #3895-#PT68K Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Ed, I'll send out stuff today. MM/1 has a RESPONSIBLY DETERMINED ship date of August. Development units are shipping now, andthe only small changes that are being made allow for several daughter boards in development. The bus is in great shape, too, and you should keep an eye out here for news that will interest you. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 3921 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 04:33:20 Sb: #3899-#PT68K Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Once I can afford Dev status on the Millenium, I wanna get a portable version... possible? --Eet-- There is 1 Reply. #: 3931 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 10:33:00 Sb: #3921-PT68K Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Jim Williams 72157,3524 The LCD display is the hardest thing to get working -- you know, to follow the mouse and so on. BUt the form factor is right for a portable, I believe. We should probably talk about this on the phone some day. GIve me a call at 202/232/4246. Paul #: 3916 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 00:49:43 Sb: #3847-#IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232 Fm: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) I insatlled the diode hack two days ago, and I lost the carrier while logged on here. Don't know if it was the phone line or rs232 problems. Wwant to hear some really wierd problems ? I tried to modify my startup file and copying all my files to it. Well when I put in a goto no_format label in the startup file it bombed out while trying to start up a shell in /w7 . Wwhen I removed the goto and the label, it executed normally. On top of that, when I did an mdir, my modules that I had merged with the shell were in memory in reverse alphabetical order ! When I merged them I started out with shell attr copy del etc... I even did did an ident on the merged shell file to verify this. Got an answer for those ? This one really grinds at me ... I opened up the gclock from MV and tried to set the date and time because they were wrong. No matter how I entered the date and time , It responded with illegal entry. I finally had to close gclock. I am tired of fightting these elusive problems and not getting anywhere. I wonder, would not using the right scf module for gshell1.24A cause ANY of the above problems. With all the numerous patches around (no I did not keep a log of my changes) I think I may be using some modules t that were intended for gshell 1.24 with 1.24A. I remember reading that there was two or three version of the scf module, and one had mentioned your name. Also I could not get the wilcard expansion to work for shell2.0 . Aafter reading the doc file a few times, I finally tried the wild card feature out. I typed :fstat *, and it showed the stats for all files in the directory. Then I typed :attr * , and it only returne the attr's for one file. I tried it with dir as well but got another strange response. Wwhen does it all end. Is there anyone who is willing to spend a little time and help me nail down these problems ???? TC There is 1 Reply. #: 4041 S7/Telecommunications 01-Jun-90 01:23:49 Sb: #3916-IRQHAK 4 DISTO RS232 Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: TONY CAPPELLINI 76370,2104 (X) Tony, Heh-heh, you should see the troubles people have on other machine forums ;-). I don't think the world has gotten to a user-friendly computer stage quite yet, eh? Ah well, someday. Yeah, modules sometimes go in the module dir in reverse order. Guess we should find out why, just for curiousity's sake. Dunno what format gclock expects time in... something like "11:03pm" or something? Anyone recall? Is it in the manual? Your wildcard problems are because many commands won't accept more than one filename as a parameter. As time goes by (and now that we have wildcards), people are writing replacements that do. Easy enough to tell for now; just try it by hand ("dir /d0 /d1", etc) and see if that particular command works. Everything makes sense. Just gotta figure it out slowly. After all, it's supposed to be a fun hobby . best - Kev #: 3944 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 16:50:12 Sb: #Help Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Sysop (X) Hmmmm.. Guys, how do I setup CIS for 8 bit mode? Default is different since I was there last. There is 1 Reply. #: 3946 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 17:52:40 Sb: #3944-#Help Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Bill, you can't set 8-bit mode at the terminal setting menu (GO TERMINAL) but you CAN set the parity to NONE. Mike There is 1 Reply. #: 3959 S7/Telecommunications 29-May-90 21:06:49 Sb: #3946-Help Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X) Hmmm, thanks, I'll give it a try. #: 3996 S7/Telecommunications 30-May-90 11:29:57 Sb: t2 hwe Fm: Everett Chimbidis 76370,1366 To: all does anybody know about the new aciapak works with /t2? #: 4108 S7/Telecommunications 04-Jun-90 06:24:00 Sb: Fido Fm: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 To: Bruce Isted 76625,2273 (X) Can anyone tell me about a local node for fido? I'm looking for a fido node near Little Rock, AR. I understand there may be one in Conway, AR. I would really appreciate the help if someone has the number. #: 4113 S7/Telecommunications 04-Jun-90 19:19:50 Sb: #UUCP Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: All A friend of mine (Bob Billson) is interested in the UUCP port. He asks for info on how it's coming along and when will it be available? I keep on tell~ring him to sign up, but he says he can't afford CIS. Hugo There are 2 Replies. #: 4117 S7/Telecommunications 05-Jun-90 00:28:17 Sb: #4113-UUCP Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo - Mark Griffith indicates that the UUCP port may be available in July or so. Tell your friend that with prudent and efficient usage habits (as outlined in at least one file here on the forum), CompuServe can be scoped out for just a few (under 5 or 10) minutes a day. You logon, capture all messages nonstop, and then use one of the offline tools ('view') to read and respond to messages. Then you just upload the responses as text files later. Nothing to it. Pete #: 4122 S7/Telecommunications 05-Jun-90 06:19:00 Sb: #4113-UUCP Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 (X) Hugo, The UUCP port is coming along nicely, but there is still some work to do on it before it can be released. This is about as complicated a package as I would like to tackle in a long time (whew!). As with all software development, you are tempted to keep adding features and never get it done. So far, only a couple utilities need to be completed, and the tranfer protocol needs a little tweeking. I'll probably be making a call for beta testers later this month, so tell your friend if he would like to test it, please let me know. Mark #: 4138 S7/Telecommunications 06-Jun-90 17:57:01 Sb: UUCP Fm: Hugo Bueno 71211,3662 To: Mark Griffith Mark, Here's Bob's reply. I guess he's really interested in UUCP! Msg#:28818 *COCO* 06/06/90 12:21:29 (Read 4 Times) From: BOB BILLSON To: HUGO BUENO (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 28736 (UUCP) I forgot to add some info yesterday. Since I don't have a CI$ or Delphi account, tell Mark he can reach me via UUCP. My Internet address is: kc2wz@ka2qhd.uucp OR kc2wz%ka2qhd@tsdiag.ccur.com My UUCP "bang path" is: ...uunet!rutgers!tsdiag!ka2qhd!kc2wz Bob Toegel, whom I mentioned is also very interested in getting involved in the beat and bash testing, doesn't have a UUCP address....yet. :-) I can relay any messages to him. #: 4145 S7/Telecommunications 06-Jun-90 23:31:57 Sb: #4108-Fido Fm: Bruce Isted (UG VP) 76625,2273 To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 ~ Al, I asked a local fidonet sysop (John Musselwhite of Keyboard BBS: 403-246-6943 300/1200/2400 8N1) for some fidonet BBS numbers in your area, and he came up with the following 3 in Conway: Thunder BBS 1-501-329-9419 Quantum Leap 1-501-329-6240 0007 Bird 1-501-329-0007 He says there are more in Conway, but none in Little Rock. If you contact one or more of these BBSes you should be able to find the rest. Oh, in case none of them carries the COCO and OS9 echoes at present, ask the sysop for "COCO" or "OS9" on the "backbone". At least I think thats right... if not exactly right it should be close enough to get what you're after, if you're interested in those echoes at all. There are plenty more echoes to choose from as well, far more than I would even attempt to list. Bruce #: 4183 S7/Telecommunications 09-Jun-90 12:43:27 Sb: #4122-UUCP Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Greetings Mark. I've run a UNIX machine at home for sometime and am interesting in your UUCP port for OS9. I have an Atari ST running OS9 which I'd be happy to test your port on. When you are ready for beta testers, let me know. --Dwight D. McKay --...rutgers!pur-ee!mckay -or- mckay@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu -or- 75776,1521 #: 4188 S7/Telecommunications 09-Jun-90 13:20:04 Sb: #3738-VT-100 Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: Fenton Hunt 75340,3527 Fenton: I know that OSterm has VT100, as well as ANSI TTY and OS9. I use it every where but here. I boot up with two windows, and a RAM disk and have no problems with it at all. >Lute< #: 4238 S7/Telecommunications 10-Jun-90 21:42:26 Sb: #3931-PT68K Fm: Jim Williams 72157,3524 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Paul, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I moved (well, am still moving). I'll phone you as soon as possible. --Eet-- #: 4243 S7/Telecommunications 10-Jun-90 22:48:00 Sb: #OSTerm Ascii Upload Fm: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 To: all Why doesn't OSTerm work in the ASCII upload mode? I've written my messages off-line but can't upload them using OSTerm. Can anyone help? There is 1 Reply. #: 4248 S7/Telecommunications 10-Jun-90 23:14:58 Sb: #4243-OSTerm Ascii Upload Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 (X) Al, the last time I used Osterm I noticed it had nothing designed in that would allow a plain ascii upload of any kind. It IS possible to upload a message using xmodem if you'd like to try it but it's not nearly the same thing. #: 4391 S7/Telecommunications 15-Jun-90 17:59:58 Sb: #terminal for cc3? Fm: Vince Mulhollon 72766,1500 To: all Hello, Would you please describe your terminal programs advantages and disadvantages? I have a CC3 w/ 512K,RS232 pak,300 baud autodial modem, and monochrome monitor. I need a good XMODEM compatible terminal program. Which would you suggest? Thanks, Vince Mulhollon 72766,1500 There is 1 Reply. #: 4395 S7/Telecommunications 15-Jun-90 20:44:52 Sb: #4391-terminal for cc3? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Vince Mulhollon 72766,1500 (X) Vince, Sterm (available here) does a nice job with xmodem ... and an even better job with CIS B+ protocol. It's simple and real hard to mess up.. Steve #: 4432 S7/Telecommunications 17-Jun-90 08:52:45 Sb: #View Fm: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 To: re 4317 re 4317 ~ Bill, I understand the need for a message delimiter such as "#:". My only problem is that in large message downloads the search routine for the message delimiter "#:" doesn't appear quite rugged enough to stay on track. I miss replying to messages because View misses the "#:" delimiter. I'm using View right now and I had to go into Dynastar to remove all the characters from the file which preceeded the "#:" of the first message. What I'm suggesting is re-writing the search procedure so it can find the "#:" whether it is the first character in the file, the fourth character, or the one hundredth character. If the code were re-written to search for "#:" wherever it might occur and not rely on it being the first character on the line might also help make it more rugged for searching long message downloads. I might be getting some line noise which moves the "#:" from the first character position and View can't find it so it skipps the message. I'm just suggesting this because I like the View program and would like to make it slightly easier to use. There is 1 Reply. #: 4437 S7/Telecommunications 17-Jun-90 10:34:55 Sb: #4432-View Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 Al, Just guessing here, but if view treated _all_ occurances of "#:" as a start of a vaild message you'd get some pretty unpredictable results. Folks that include a copy of a message in the body of the one they're presently writing would be one culprit. I'm sure there are other instances. Steve Press !> #: 4438 S7/Telecommunications 17-Jun-90 11:47:32 Sb: #4437-#View Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, Not to mention what it would have done to Al's message! Look at all those "#:"s! There are just some basic assumptions that have to be made in order for offline message processing to work. The possible combinations of scrambled data boggle the mind, and the actual messages themselves can contain confusing information, even TAPCIS will barf on a message within a message. It does help to be a little flexible, though, maybe the scan routine in view can be modified to ignore leading blanks when searching for "#:". Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 4445 S7/Telecommunications 17-Jun-90 18:28:58 Sb: #4438-View Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Perfect example! I recall thread upon thread of automated folks cringing at phrases such as _off at_ being part of message text. :-) I've played with View a bit, but I still do most of my stuff interactively. Seems more personal, I suppose. I'm gonna have to look to the automated stuff just from a time saving standpoint. It's all I can do to keep up with what few forums I visit now. And there's always something new to take a look at here! Steve #: 4485 S7/Telecommunications 18-Jun-90 23:28:41 Sb: #4432-View Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 (X) ~ Al; Try this : comment out the line just AFTER "READ #inpath, i$" and just before or after it add this line : "IF SUBS R(prompt1,i$) > 0 OR LEFT$(i$,L2)=prompt2 THEN" and see if this works for you. It would seem that you're getting line noise or other stray chars. in your data stream. Although this MIGHT cause you to miss a occasional message, the program should re-synch after reading the next message header. Yours is the first report that I've had on this problem, so I'm at a bit of a loss right now. The problem with this fixtis that the program will probably not be able to pick up the message number which sets the reply flag, and it won't allow you to reply to the message. I'm working on the program right now, and will keep your problem in mind and try to incorporate a more positive method of ID'ing the message start. ...Jim #: 4447 S7/Telecommunications 17-Jun-90 18:32:56 Sb: #UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All Call for UUCP beta testers: The OS9 UUCP port is nearing completion. To test the package as much as possible, additional testers are needed. Anyone wishing to become a beta tester please read the following requirements: 1. You must have access to a UUCP site to test file transfers. You also must be able to establish a UUCP login account on this system, Either setting it up yourself or getting the system administrator to do it for you. 2. You must have dial-in access to your OS9 system and you must have a modem setup for auto-answer available at least during the night to receive UUCP calls. 3. You must be able to make some long distance phone calls, at least during the night, to call other UUCP testers. The number of calls you are willing to make depends on how much money you can afford. You WILL NOT be required to make lots of calls (perhaps one or two a week). 4. You must have Pete Lyall's CRON utility, or be able to download it from here and implement it on your OS9 system. 5. You must be willing and able to replace any existing login system with one of two new systems to have UUCP work correctly. 6. You must have a mail utility, or be willing to install one of several available on your system. 8. You SHOULD have a hard disk drive, but this is not required. A floppy disk system must be able to hold all the UUCP files. A system using 720K disks should be fine, but a 360K system with only one drive will not. In any case, a floppy based system may not be fast enough. 9. You SHOULD have the OS9 C compiler and know enough about C programming to be able to make minor changes if needed. However, those without the compiler can still be a tester, but you'll have to settle for the defaults built into the UUCP package. 10. You must be able to work with myself and the other testers. Anyone just looking for an advance copy of the port need not reply. Source code will only be given out to those showing an express need. If you need more information, post a message here, in E-Mail, or call me There is 1 Reply. #: 4550 S7/Telecommunications 21-Jun-90 14:43:49 Sb: #4447-#UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) I am interested in beta-testing your UUCP software. I have a UUCP node locally, and meet all of your other requirements easily. I am also still waiting to hear if I can obtain a copy of the source... Thanks, StG There is 1 Reply. #: 4592 S7/Telecommunications 24-Jun-90 08:04:37 Sb: #4550-UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 Scott, I'm not sure you would want to test the uucp port since it will require one of two different login packages which are probably much different then yours, as well as a different mailer. In any case, I'll put you on the list. As far as getting source code for the 'g' protocol stuff, I'd like to know exactly what you plan on doing with it. I really don't want to see it used in someone elses commercial package. Know what I mean? Mark #: 4448 S7/Telecommunications 17-Jun-90 18:34:22 Sb: UUCP Beta testers needed Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: All UUCP Beta testers: My last message was cut off at the end. It was supposed to read: call me at home in the evening from 6 PM to 11 PM at 904-736-1535. Mark #: 4530 S7/Telecommunications 20-Jun-90 21:46:43 Sb: #Sterm Fm: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 To: 76070,41 (X) Mark: I have a couple of questions for you. I'm using Sterm 1.3 on CIS now, but with a modified termcap. I have only the very basic commands in it. If I try to use the one that comes with 1.3 I end up with a very interesting display, and a locked up system. So where can Isget this CC3io patch? Please don't tell me it was with the AR file. When I downloaded Sterm, I was still using a CoCo 2, so much of the stuff just got filed, and when I looked for the AR file I can't seem to fi d it. Must have scratched it at some time. Also what term set should I be using on CIS? At this time it's set to (other). Is this what I want? >Lute< There is 1 Reply. #: 4589 S7/Telecommunications 24-Jun-90 08:04:08 Sb: #4530-Sterm Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: LUTE MULLENIX 70721,2230 Lute, The termcap entries that Sterm use only need to be simple. Sterm uses the code for erasing the screen, reverse video, and cursor movement only. Any fancier entry is just wasted with Sterm. There have been problems with the termcap port on the 6809. I don't know how to correct it tho, and really haven't looked into it to much. The main reason I used termcap was to allow porting Sterm 1.3 to different OS9 systems including Pete Lyalls GIMIX (now deceased), and OSK machines. It's a shame the 6809/OS9 termcap port was not better since it does cause system lockups as you have noticed, simply by changing one byte in an entry. To correct your problem, I'd stay with the entry that works for you. The patch for CC3IO is included in the archive for the latest Gshell patches. Can't remember the name, but if you go to DL10 and look for the latest Gshell patches, it should be in there. You can also use the other patches in that file. As far as you terminal settings for CIS, I'd use a CRT and have it send formfeeds. This clears your screen between each menu and looks neat. Mark #: 4584 S7/Telecommunications 23-Jun-90 22:32:53 Sb: ArcNet Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 To: 76703,4227 (X) Kevin- How ya been? I have not heard anything out of you for some time. Frank came over tonite and he had gotten a lot of files thru his work which originated from ARCNET. How do we get on this. Seems to be a pretty interesting place. I've been using WizPro a lot and was wondering how much difference there was between CIS B+ and YModem. They both seem to use packet sizes of one K. Is YModem just as good as B+? Frank ordered his modem this week. He should have it soon. Would you like to trade modems with me? I like this Supra Modem because of its front power switch. Mine in newer and works just fine. Its a Smart One 2400 baud. I have packaging and manual. I think that I can start to put together pieces for my hard drive I'm looking at a 42 meg. and eventually replacing my drives with 3.5 80 tracks. By the way-- Picked up something on one of the arcnet messages. Is there much trouble with the Disto 1 meg board with the Tandy 512k upgrade or is this something that has already been fixed up? Hope to hear from you soon. Trucker-Bob -eof #: 4599 S7/Telecommunications 24-Jun-90 11:26:56 Sb: #4584-#Bitnet Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 (X) Hey, T Bob! I think you meant Bitnet for those files from Frank. Being out of town as much as you are, you'd probably better not sign up (it comes in thru CIS Mail, so you'd need to read it every day, almost). No idea about Y-Modem vs CIS B. Probably close to same speed, I'd guess. Someone will correct me if not . Glad to hear you may be able to start on the hard disk route. Going to the meeting this week? You in town? Kev There is 1 Reply. #: 4622 S7/Telecommunications 24-Jun-90 22:57:07 Sb: #4599-#Bitnet Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev-usual. I had been using Y-Modem and noticed as far as I could see not much difference in speed. I am also following Frank's lead and advise and probably will get a Seagate 42 MB "N" series. Probably will take a little while to put all the pieces together. I also probably will replace my floppies also. Frank downloaded the whole thing from BitNet and it looked downright interesting. Didn't know how it works tho. Before I forget-- Does the Disto upgrade conflict with the Tandy 512? Well gotta run. Will drop by some weekend. Trucker-Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 4626 S7/Telecommunications 24-Jun-90 23:38:00 Sb: #4622-#Bitnet Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 (X) Okay, Bob. On the Disto 1meg thingie; I suppose it just happened that it didn't work with that one guy's Tandy board. Hadn't heard otherwise yet. Hmm.. unless there's some kind of physical problem? Not sure. I'll ask. There is 1 Reply. #: 5037 S7/Telecommunications 10-Jul-90 00:34:09 Sb: #4626-Bitnet Fm: BOB GLAD 71046,1134 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Hey Kev.. Sorry that it took so long to read your message. I've been out of town more than usual. When I read your first message reply I thought you might have ducked this question. I, at this point, don't know how I will spend the money that I have saved. Getting a little confused by all the hardware options as well as the new products that are coming out. I would like to reread your message that you posted on the cost comparison of the MM1 verses a competetor like IBM ect. I might keep on saving my money until I can afford one of these machines. Let me know if you find out anything on the compatibility problem on the Disto if there is one. I still might go this route as a stopgap. Talk to ya later. T-Bob #: 4612 S7/Telecommunications 24-Jun-90 15:40:51 Sb: #4592-#UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Yes, I do want to test the uucp port. I have multiple machines, and can run a test on a different one. I can also interface my mailer to any format. I want to get the source code for the protocol so that I can rig it to function from within the StG login package. This would allow my StG nodes in the netherlands and australia to hook into a local uucp node instead of calling major long distance. It would also help for within the country too. The StG login package is a commercial package (barely). But whatever small modifications/additions to the UUCP software will be placed in the PD. I have no interest in selling UUCP, only allowing people who are using StG to hook into UUCP. I may not even need the actual G protocol source - all that I am interested in is the bare routines necessary to implement a transfer. In essence, something I can pipe a pre-formatted list of messages into, run to do the transfer (I can write my own handler for calling in), and which outputs a list of messages to be posted. I can take it from there. Depending on how modularized your set of modules is, I may not even need any source at all. But it would be silly to sit down and write my own G driver. If you wish, I would even relinquish docs and libraries on interfacing to my package and you or someone else can do the interface and post it pd. But as I wrote the stupid thing, I could handle it much faster. My intentions in obtaining your UUCP driver are simply to enhance an already existing network of OS9 people across the country (and world). I have no want to make money from this, or even to steal your coding and use for my own purposes. All I want is to improve communications between OS9 people by hooking together networks. Surely you can understand that. Let me know what I must to do convince you. StG There is 1 Reply. #: 4642 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jun-90 22:07:20 Sb: #4612-#UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) Scott, If you write out the work files in the format that uucico expects them, you might not have to write any code at all. You need to transfer several files at once? Pretty simple, just write out the list in the right format, giving the file a name that uucico will recognize and it will go on its own. You don't need to convince me, just that I'm always a little leary when someone asks for the source code and mentions porting to his/her special environment. Not that I didn't "steal" lots of my routines from Steve Sampson who did a port of uucp for UniFlex. Don't know how he got it to work right tho....I had to work it over pretty good. Anyway, I'll send you the source code along with the rest of the uucp files. I'd appreciate it if you would let me see what you do with it. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 4664 S7/Telecommunications 26-Jun-90 19:34:18 Sb: #4642-#UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Hey, thanks! It will take me a bit to get to it (spending the next two weeks solid on getting OSKer out), but I will get it working and send you back what I have accomplished. You can send to me via StG@hummer.iupui.edu if that would be easier/cheaper. Or any StG-net machine. Yah, it will be a lot easier to understand how it works if I have some source to glance at... I figure I won't have to change anything, just add whatever interfacing necessary. You want a free copy of the StG sw? You might want to wait till I get V4 done - it doesn't 'take over' your machine like the current V3 does. And conforms more to the 'standards'. Well, sort of. Let me know if you'd like a copy. Again, thanks - I really appreciate this. And I know the rest of StG-net will especially. I will mention your assistance on the net when I get it working... StG There is 1 Reply. #: 4712 S7/Telecommunications 28-Jun-90 05:43:29 Sb: #4664-#UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) Scott, I'll send you the stuff via internet mail at the address you gave. I'll be in CUTS format. If you don't have CUTS, it is available here in DL10, I think. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 4755 S7/Telecommunications 29-Jun-90 22:37:56 Sb: #4712-#UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) I can't find that CUTS in DL10... If anybody knows where it is, please speak up. Otherwise, could you send me a copy of some source for it... StG There is 1 Reply. #: 4764 S7/Telecommunications 30-Jun-90 05:14:32 Sb: #4755-UUCP Beta testers wanted Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) Scott, CUTS.AR is in DL9. Do a "bro cuts*" and you'll find it. Mark #: 4628 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jun-90 02:35:08 Sb: #4589-#Sterm Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark, Do you have any inkling where the termcap code fails? I'm running a level two box similar to the Gimix. Everytime I run Sterm the keyboard locks tight after giving the current baud rate. Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 4641 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jun-90 22:06:53 Sb: #4628-#Sterm Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Wendell, Sorry....no clue. All I know is if you play around with the termcap entry it either works or it crashes. I'm really disapointed in it. Are you giving the port name when you run Sterm? Currently, Sterm defaults to port t2 unless you give it another name on the command line like: sterm -f /t3 You think that might be it? Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 4646 S7/Telecommunications 26-Jun-90 01:50:54 Sb: #4641-#Sterm Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark, Here's the problem: When I run Sterm (command line: Sterm -f /t9) the standard input path appears to shut down. Nothing from the keyboard makes it to the program. However, if I switch to a second virtual terminal window and send the appropriate Hayes code to the output port (t9), the modem will print out its menu to the Sterm screen (when I switch back to the virtual terminal that's running Sterm). In other words, Sterm will not take anything from the keyboard. But, it will print what comes to it from the T9 port. I've tried to get the terminal to unlock the keyboard and just about anything else that sounds vaguely similar, but no-go. And changing Termcap doesn't do anything. This is a strange one. Wendell There are 2 Replies. #: 4654 S7/Telecommunications 26-Jun-90 09:45:03 Sb: #4646-#Sterm Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Wendell - Hmmm.... like your other questionable device drivers, I wonder if your serial port drivers support sending signals on data available (i.e. SS.Sig)... betcha that's it. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 4657 S7/Telecommunications 26-Jun-90 15:22:44 Sb: #4654-Sterm Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Pete, I think you're right. From my very limited view (grin) the serial port driver looks like it will send a signal to wake up the process, but won't do anything with the keyboard. That's probably why earlier versions of Sterm (and Xcom9) work while the latest Sterm won't. The new Sterm polls the keyboard differently. Right? Of course, you must realize that I don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking about. Wendell P.S. First day of summer heat here in LA: had to turn on air conditioner to keep computer from flipping out. It must be over 100 outside. #: 4711 S7/Telecommunications 28-Jun-90 05:43:26 Sb: #4646-#Sterm Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Here's the problem: When I run Sterm (command line: Sterm -f /t9) the standard input path appears to shut down. Nothing from the keyboard makes it to the program. However, if I switch to a second virtual terminal window and send the appropriate Hayes code to the output port (t9), the modem will print out its menu to the Sterm screen (when I switch back to the virtual terminal that's running Sterm). In other words, Sterm will not take anything from the keyboard. But, it will print what comes to it from the T9 port. I've tried to get the terminal to unlock the keyboard and just about anything else that sounds vaguely similar, but no-go. And changing Termcap doesn't do anything. This is a strange one. Wendell, I think Pete hit on the problem for you. However, I'm not sure as to why since Sterm 1.2 also used keyboard signals to get a character. You say that 1.2 works fine and 1.3 locks up on the keyboard? Hmmm....very strange. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 4719 S7/Telecommunications 28-Jun-90 13:00:05 Sb: #4711-#Sterm Fm: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Mark, By older version of Sterm, I was referring to a really OLD version (9232 bytes). Perhaps just a prototype of today's Sterm. The current version that won't work has 31561 bytes and is labeled The OS-9 User's Group Universal Terminal Ver. 2.0. I assume that's equivalent to version 1.3 Wendell There is 1 Reply. #: 4763 S7/Telecommunications 30-Jun-90 05:14:29 Sb: #4719-Sterm Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Wendell Benedetti 72766,2605 (X) Wendell, Well, if the oldest version on STERM works for you, then I'd say the problem is the keyboard signal since all the later versions use it. Can't help you much with that. New drivers maybe? Mark #: 4640 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jun-90 21:55:33 Sb: #Uploading messages Fm: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 To: all Is there any way to compose a message so when I upload it Compuserve simply takes it without asking me for the user number or name? I've tried the View program but Compuserve still asks for the user ID and/or name. Any ideas? I'd like to just upload a file of seven or eight messages all at once but I haven't figured out how. Any help will be appreciated. There are 2 Replies. #: 4649 S7/Telecommunications 26-Jun-90 05:45:05 Sb: #4640-Uploading messages Fm: Dan Robins 73007,2473 To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 (X) Al, Yes it is possible, although your uploading may go faster than CIS sends it back to you. Your script should look like this (and keep in mind, I am going one char over in this example, because the slashes would actually do this if it were flush left...grin). At the Forum prompt: L <---stands for Leave (a message) {this is the body of your message.} /ex <---flush left...as you know this exits the editor POST;{TO UID};{SUBJECT};{SUBTOPIC AREA} The {TO UID} is who the message is to: ie..Dan Robins 73007,2473 The {SUBJECT} is what it is about: ie.. Leaving A Message The {SUBTOPIC AREA} is the section you want: ie.. 10 Here's a short example...and remember, everything would be flush left, if I were doing this for real: L Leaving a message for Dan Robins to show how and uploaded ASCII text file could take care of leaving a message for me. /ex POST;Dan Robins 73007,2473;An Automessage;10 Now..there is a way to upload messages here, but, I have found out from experience, that when I had more than one, this was the quickest way to get the job done for me. Mind you though, it will all look garbled because CIS falls way behind in echoing the info back to you. Dan #: 4673 S7/Telecommunications 27-Jun-90 00:35:20 Sb: #4640-Uploading messages Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Al Fleagle 72527,1354 (X) Al; The next revision to VIEW incorporates eaving messages (starting a new thread) as well as storing all replies in one file for transmission to CIS. I'm still having some minor problems with getting the 'editor' function to go back and correct a previous line, but should be done sometime RSN. Are you still getting stray chars before the "#:" ? I've tried several different methods of determining message start, and so far, haven't come up with anything more reliable than the present method. In addition to Dan's reply, you might check out a file called FAST.CIS ineeither LIB1 or 2. It's got a lot of info on just what you're a ..Jim #: 4714 S7/Telecommunications 28-Jun-90 05:44:38 Sb: #UUCP Port Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Dwight McKay, 75776,1521 (X) Dwight, Thanks for your reply concerning testing the UUCP port. Unfortunately, this port is for OS9/6809. I don't have an OSK machine yet so the OSK port will be coming out a little later. Mark There are 2 Replies. #: 4756 S7/Telecommunications 29-Jun-90 22:39:13 Sb: #4714-#UUCP Port Fm: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) I can do that for ya - got an ST I'm using for development that needs something to do... StG There is 1 Reply. #: 4765 S7/Telecommunications 30-Jun-90 05:14:35 Sb: #4756-UUCP Port Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Scott t. Griepentrog 72427,335 (X) Scott, I will be doing OSK development soon myself so I'd like to port UUCP to OSK. I have some more I want to add for that environment. Mark #: 4965 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jul-90 20:51:56 Sb: #4714-UUCP Port Fm: Dwight D. McKay 75776,1521 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Okdokey. Let me know when you are interested in an OSK port, maybe I can help you then... Good luck with the 6809 port! --ddm #: 4885 S7/Telecommunications 05-Jul-90 01:16:22 Sb: #modems Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: all This must be question night for me.... I'm thinking of getting a 2400 baud modem. Most of my on-line time is spent with this system (CIS). Is there any advantage to getting one with Level 5 MNP? From what I understand the through-put is about 2x using this protocol, but not if things are already compressed (like an AR file)? Also, do CIS nodes support MNP? Any advice on this will be appreciated. There is 1 Reply. #: 4890 S7/Telecommunications 05-Jul-90 07:45:17 Sb: #4885-#modems Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) Bob, I'm in the process of making the same decisions on a modem. At present, CIS MNP nodes support only a level 3 protocol as I understand it. You can use a level 5 modem with a level 3, but yo'll only make use of the 'error correcting' capabilities here on CIS. If you have a nasty line, MNP will make all the difference in the world. Next problem, CIS is in the process of phasing in MNP support. Not all nodes support it. GO PHONES to see if you have such a supported node. You can use a level 5 modem with a non MNP modem ...it should just drop back to normal mode. With prices dropping like mad, I'm planning to get the level 5 support. (I _do_ have a supported node). That way, I'll have the capability if and when it arrives here. In the meantime, I can make use of the features on the other systems I use that support it. There is 1 Reply. #: 4946 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jul-90 01:31:06 Sb: #4890-#modems Fm: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Steve, I guess that getting one with MNP is probably the best idea. Even if it isn't supported just now . . . if it will be later. You see, I have to call long distance everytime I access CIS so that the savings really multiply when I cut down my access time. There is 1 Reply. #: 4951 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jul-90 11:14:46 Sb: #4946-modems Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob van der Poel 76510,2203 (X) You bet Bob .... my thinking as well. Just remember that MNP levels must be matched at each end, else it will drop back to the lowest level of commonality. For example, if you had a level 5 modem and called a system that supported level 5 you'd get th bennefit of the error correction and the compression. However, use your Level 5 modem to call a CIS level 3 node, all you'd get is the error correction. Steve #: 4930 S7/Telecommunications 06-Jul-90 16:59:52 Sb: WIZ Query Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Bill Brady 70126,267 Hi, Bill, how are things with you? I'm now "self-employed" and enjoying the change. Still working same place, but generally only Tues/Wed. I'm still using WIZ as my comm package of choice (although PROCOMM is pretty good on messy-dos machines), but I need a WIZ answer I can't find in your manual. How do you set the BREAK byte in the autolog sequence? I bought a Tandy 1100FD to replace the 100 (actually 102) that had given me such fine service over the years. The 1100 is a good machine, but has a couple of annoying flaws in its built-ins; the worst is sloppy printer drivers that can't drive the printers as claimed. Regards - Ches. #: 4957 S7/Telecommunications 07-Jul-90 15:07:26 Sb: Wiz Query Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Bill Brady 70126,267 Bill, I just noticed the file in DL7. Should answer my query. Ches. #: 5260 S7/Telecommunications 16-Jul-90 17:57:29 Sb: #4930-WIZ Query Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 Well, I'll be durned, I bought a 1100FD also... & also to replace the m100! Procomm eh? I've been using COM-AND, not very happily. On the job, Cecile finally got wise, I am now our (one & only) product manager. (Our drivers licence testing system). Mebbe I can keep somebody from running off with the thing. We are doing a show in Baltimore this week. On the Wiz question. You can edit the autolog file... you should see a #E15 ... the #E defines the break key, the 15 is control-O. (note 15=decimal) You could also set it on-line & do a tart new autolog file. etc. Cheez, now I know why I wanted off HST! Sad, sad. But I understand fully why it happened. I guess our favorite campus is headed for a downturn. BTW, I *do* like the built in TEXT & Spell checker. #: 5261 S7/Telecommunications 16-Jul-90 17:58:03 Sb: #4930-WIZ Query Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 BTW, got any copy for the MOTD? I could use some. #: 5262 S7/Telecommunications 16-Jul-90 17:58:55 Sb: #4957-Wiz Query Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 Oh, yeah, I sure forgot that one quick... I just uploaded it. Old age eh? #: 5316 S7/Telecommunications 18-Jul-90 11:21:43 Sb: #5260-WIZ Query Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 I like the TEXT & Spell check, too, in fact, that's what is keeping me in DeskMate. The printer driver for the dot matrix printer is so limited that the frustration level is off the scale. I've used PC-Link to register a problem (they said nobody else complained but they would forward the complaint) and I've used the voice line to Ft. Worth. The voice response was an offer to help me set the printer with BASIC and use the (really dumb) ASCI printer driver! I agree on HST - Wonder how Fordyce feels? #: 5317 S7/Telecommunications 18-Jul-90 11:24:10 Sb: #5261-WIZ Query Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 Nothing for MOTD. Sturdy old CoCo just keeps running. I use it with UltiMusE, WIZ and DynaStar for music, comm and wp. I plan to go to Atlanta in October. See you there? #: 5522 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jul-90 04:02:40 Sb: #5316-#WIZ Query Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Well, Don actually became involved after the mirrors were ground. Re the 1100 drivers: have you disassembled the machine far enuf to see if the C: ROM is replaceable? I wonder if we can drop in the BP150 ROM? There is 1 Reply. #: 5555 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jul-90 19:15:51 Sb: #5522-WIZ Query Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 I'm told the C: drive is an EEROM, but the drivers are on the floppy. The story gets more complex, though. I bought Q&A Write after seeing a comment on CIS praising its capabilities, and it has no difficulty driving the Epson DMP (or the LaserJet) with the same drivers that TEXT doesn't work well with. So.o.o. I now suspect that TEXT is the problem - and that is on the C: drive. What is a BP150 ROM? Different topic - I'm using PROCOM with the GSFC business main frame to use a characteristic known as a dedicated printer with the VT100 emulation. The VT100 emulation works as a full-screen monitor with Escape code cursor addressing, but when a special main frame printer program is initiated, long data sets come in "behind" the monitor in a "dedicated printer" mode. I don't understand the details of what I'm saying, but in your VT52 emulation, did you know about a dedicated printer and provide for it?? Ches. #: 5523 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jul-90 04:04:50 Sb: #5317-#WIZ Query Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Yes, do you want to got together? (to Atlanta) I was not aware of the date. Do you have more details? BTW Ted Paul is apparently folding up his clipboard tent. There is 1 Reply. #: 5556 S7/Telecommunications 25-Jul-90 19:18:21 Sb: #5523-WIZ Query Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 Ruth and I are currently planning to take the train if we can work out schedule conflicts. Read message 20839 for Dave Myers deal and 'Fest description. I called Dave and got in on the "first 125" deal. The dates are October 6,7. #: 5796 S7/Telecommunications 03-Aug-90 16:50:57 Sb: #5555-WIZ Query Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) I guess you mean the printer drivers??? If they are on floppy then changing them would be easier than the C drive. RE: my VT52 emulation: it was just a mapping of VT52 (screen) codes to OS-9/CoCo codes. VT52 & 100 codes don't sit well with most printers, so most folks just filter 'em out of the printer stream. (but I don't). #: 5797 S7/Telecommunications 03-Aug-90 16:52:05 Sb: #5556-WIZ Query Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Hmmmm Oct may be too soon for me to combine business with pleasure. #: 5975 S7/Telecommunications 10-Aug-90 23:32:19 Sb: MUYX BOX Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451 To: 74030,332 Mark - I work for a Telco. Maybe we need your system. How do I get ordering info and what does it do? Greg Morse #: 6092 S7/Telecommunications 13-Aug-90 10:04:19 Sb: #5975-MUYX BOX Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X) Greg, If you work for AT&T in a Digital Central Office, you'll be getting one within the next year (like it or not). It replaces the "DCO-PNI" and is called "RAPP". If not, you'll never see one unless you purchase AT&T DACS frames and your company arranges to have them and their facilities supported by the AT&T Network Operations. It's not something we plan to sell, but will be used internally only. There will be a total of about 300 made. FWIW, we passed our soak in the testing lab this past week and go to Beta in the White Plains, NY Digital Central Office tomorrow (tuesday). Mark #: 6110 S7/Telecommunications 13-Aug-90 22:32:46 Sb: RAPP Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451 To: 74030,332 mark - I dont work for AT&T. My telco is a canadian one. we do however have 2 or 3 AT&T DACS's (DACS II's with ver 3 of the s/w I doubt however that from what you have said we would be buying a "RAPP", but should i ask my AT&T salesman about it? - Greg Press !> #: 6118 S7/Telecommunications 14-Aug-90 09:35:04 Sb: #6110-RAPP Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 Greg, We support DACS II generic 3.2, and will support generic 4.0 (X.25 with imbedded iu feature) when it is released. The RAPP is an interface for these AT&T OSS's: DACS-OSS, FAMAS, DSTS, and AIM. Your AT&T salesman will likely not know what it (or it's predecessor, the DCO-PNI) is. Mark #: 6252 S7/Telecommunications 21-Aug-90 17:53:04 Sb: OSTERM Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: ALL Does anybody know why the backspace doesn't work on OSTERM ?? #: 6255 S7/Telecommunications 21-Aug-90 19:36:08 Sb: #6252-OSTERM Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 Works fine for me when I'm using it. Are you in VT-100 emulation mode? That's something I have yet to use, and it may do something different--you may have to use DEL instead of BS. #: 6323 S7/Telecommunications 26-Aug-90 11:08:46 Sb: #access help Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: all I have forgotten how to get to CIS from Nuxiland. It is something like 71076.76@compuserv.com. Can anyone help? - Carl There is 1 Reply. #: 6325 S7/Telecommunications 26-Aug-90 11:49:07 Sb: #6323-#access help Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) Carl - Dead on.... if I were mailing to you, it'd be: mail 71076.76@compuserve.com Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 6330 S7/Telecommunications 26-Aug-90 22:12:43 Sb: #6325-access help Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks Pete. Kid is off to college for the last year and he lost my address and I wasn't sure. - Carl #: 6402 S7/Telecommunications 30-Aug-90 19:39:21 Sb: #6255-OSTERM Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Hi James--I find I can get a backspace in VT-100 but not in ANSI!!!?? #: 6423 S7/Telecommunications 31-Aug-90 14:48:33 Sb: #T3 troubles Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 To: All I am having trouble with my t3 device. I have just recently added it to my bootfile and everytime I try to open a path to it I get a module not found error. It is definately in memory and each time I open a path the link counter increments. Any ideas anyone? There is 1 Reply. #: 6428 S7/Telecommunications 31-Aug-90 21:40:25 Sb: #6423-#T3 troubles Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X) What device driver are you telling it to use? Perhaps that's what it can't find. There is 1 Reply. #: 6453 S7/Telecommunications 01-Sep-90 12:27:47 Sb: #6428-#T3 troubles Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) I would assume it uses ACIAPAK. I have that onlong with t2 and t3 in memory. T2 works just fine. There is 1 Reply. #: 6456 S7/Telecommunications 01-Sep-90 13:48:50 Sb: #6453-#T3 troubles Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 (X) Floyd, Is the T3 you included in your boot file from the original system config disk? If so, then its set up to use the MODPAK driver with a serial interface addressed at $FF68 (like a standard T2 device.) MODPAK was written for the modempak, will work with any 6551 serial port, but is limited to 300 baud. If you want to use a second serial interface addressed at $FF6C (like a modified RS232 pak) then use the M1 descriptor, which uses ACIAPAK. The other option is M2, which uses MODPAK and a serial port addressed at $FF6C, the standard modempak address. To summarize, the four Tandy serial device descriptors are: device address driver T2 $FF68 ACIAPAK T3 $FF68 MODPAK M1 $FF6C ACIAPAK M2 $FF6C MODPAK These names are not an OS9 standard, however, and have been implemented in different ways by different software and hardware vendors. Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 6459 S7/Telecommunications 01-Sep-90 19:27:07 Sb: #6456-T3 troubles Fm: Floyd Resler 72500,2572 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Ah! Thanks, I'll give it a try. Floyd #: 6565 S7/Telecommunications 07-Sep-90 03:28:26 Sb: NEW CoCo 3 BBS!! Fm: edward langenback 73510,145 To: all there's a new CoCo 3 BBS now up and running! Springwood BBS, running ACBBS modified for 3 message bases (for now) FULL access on your FIRST call! (614)-228-7371 basically 24 hours / 7 days except when i need the line to call other boards please set to 8-N-1 >only< as this software is not as forgiving as i'd like it to be. "KMA-68!!" >>>>>S S<<<<< !!!!!!!!!!!!! s #: 6573 S7/Telecommunications 07-Sep-90 17:08:47 Sb: #Upload Problems Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: All I am a Librarian on the Aquarium Fish Forums (GO AQUAFORUM & GO AQUADATA). I am having a problem uploading ASCii files to my Library's. The problem is that when people using TAPCIS try to read these uploaded files all they see is the line reading over itself. Undoubtly TAP does not make a linefeed at the Carriage Returns. All of the other staff members using various Term programs from Mac (NAVIGATOR), Commodore Term (And several other COMMODORE Terminals), Along with me (OSTERM, and UltimTerm (RS-DOS)), have had no problem reading these files. I did have the problem with Telstar (OS9). I am using SSTAR to make the files. According to one of the SYSOPS, I do not have a Line Feed and Carriage return at the end of each line, just a , therefor, TAPCIS will not administer a LF, and the lines will run all over each other. Let me know if you can help, I am desparate to find out what is wrong. Rodney Harper DataBase Manager Aquatic Data Center GO AQUADATA ps....Does OSTerm 2.08 strip the Line Feeds ?? There is 1 Reply. #: 6580 S7/Telecommunications 07-Sep-90 21:23:37 Sb: #6573-#Upload Problems Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) Rodney, You've got the problem figured out. OSTERM monkeies with the LF's. Not being a fan of that program I don't know ... but is there an option of adding linefeeds when you upload? (Some terminal programs do allow for this). I'll have to fire up my copy and take a look. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 6601 S7/Telecommunications 08-Sep-90 13:39:45 Sb: #6580-#Upload Problems Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Have you had a chance to look at your copy of OSTerm ? I tried turning off the LF Filter, but no JOY, still the same. I also tried uploading with TELSTAR, and WIZ, No Joy. I downloaded the STERM.AR that you are using, and am having a hell of time getting it going. >>Rod<< There are 2 Replies. #: 6602 S7/Telecommunications 08-Sep-90 15:23:08 Sb: #6601-Upload Problems Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) You'll find that STERM will add linefeeds after C/R's like you want plus it takes advantage of CIS "sliding window" B-protocol which is very fast since it doesn't stop between blocks. #: 6610 S7/Telecommunications 08-Sep-90 19:34:44 Sb: #6601-Upload Problems Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) Rod, I've left you my phone number in Cmail ...use it if things get to far afield. :-) Steve #: 6625 S7/Telecommunications 09-Sep-90 13:53:36 Sb: #OS9 Terminals Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: All Does anyone know of any other OS9 terminal progams for the COCO, that does not strip linefeeds upon uploading ? This is besides STERM here in the Library ? >>Rod<< There is 1 Reply. #: 6630 S7/Telecommunications 09-Sep-90 15:41:28 Sb: #6625-OS9 Terminals Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) Hmmm .... Sterm not doing the job for you, Rod? Steve #: 6652 S7/Telecommunications 10-Sep-90 15:03:08 Sb: Telecom/nullmodem Fm: Paul Hanke 73467,403 To: All Has anyone had any experience trying to transfer files via null modem to another computer using Deskmates telecom program? For some reason, an xmodem transfer does not seem to ge initiated altho when in terminal mode, one computer's keyboard text appears on the other's monitor. Is there a special sequence of commands or other signal needed to start xmodem? I assume all parameters are set correctly or else keyboard transfer wouldn't occur, n'est-ce pas? -ph- #: 6770 S7/Telecommunications 18-Sep-90 17:24:01 Sb: #sterm 1.4 Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 To: all Does anyone have a copy of STerm 1.4 that could upload it here? Or perhaps I missed it? If anyone has it/knows where it is, please drop me a line. thx, Joseph Cheek There is 1 Reply. #: 6776 S7/Telecommunications 19-Sep-90 05:30:11 Sb: #6770-#sterm 1.4 Fm: Mark Griffith 76070,41 To: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 (X) Joseph, STERM 1.4 is not released yet. Version 1.3 is in Lib7 for downloading. 1.4 is still in the testing stage (sorta) and will be available in the next month or so. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 6821 S7/Telecommunications 20-Sep-90 19:40:49 Sb: #6776-sterm 1.4 Fm: Joseph Cheek 76264,142 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 (X) Thank you, Mark. I will relay that information to my friend. #: 6787 S7/Telecommunications 19-Sep-90 18:25:37 Sb: #Initializing modem Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: All All, When booting up OS9, is there a way I can send a string to my Modem to initialize it before running a Term program ? I would like to put this in the startup file if it is possible. >>Rod<< There is 1 Reply. #: 6788 S7/Telecommunications 19-Sep-90 18:51:50 Sb: #6787-Initializing modem Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) Sure... why not: [other startup commands] echo ATE0V0Q1S11=50 >/T2 Pete #: 6790 S7/Telecommunications 19-Sep-90 19:42:28 Sb: #term help Fm: edward langenback 73510,145 To: all i have just obtained a Multi-Pak and RS-232 Pak and would like to be able to use OS/9 terminal software, however, i've had no luck in getting either xcom9 or bbterm to work with them. neither one seems to be communicating with the rs-232. in each case i've made sure to specify /t2 as the device, and the rs-232 is in slot 1 of the multi-pak. i have been able to use the telcom application in the level 1 version of Deskmate, which proves that everything is working, but that 32 column screen just simply won't do. any ideas what the problem is? i have used both xcom9 and bbterm in the past with the BITBANG.ar driver through the bitbanger, so i doubt its the programs. "KMA-68!!" >>>>>S S<<<<< !!!!!!!!!!!!! There are 2 Replies. #: 6794 S7/Telecommunications 19-Sep-90 20:42:01 Sb: #6790-#term help Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: edward langenback 73510,145 (X) Ed, The 232pak expect a high DTR signal before it will listen to anything. Your modem might be able to do this (dip switch or command) or you could jumper a cable with 6-8 and 20 hooked together. What type of modem are you using? Do you see any activity on the light (are there lights?). Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 6802 S7/Telecommunications 20-Sep-90 01:42:56 Sb: #6794-term help Fm: edward langenback 73510,145 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) a high DTR signal, Hmmm... forget what that stands for just now, data terminal ready i think. the only switch on my modem (a Capetronic QT-1200) is to force carrier detect on. no status lights, though i have thought of getting one of those units from rat shack that goes in-line and has several status lights on it. i've been going with the switch in force carrier detect position, i'll try it in the normal position. hopefully i won't have to do any jumpering, don't want to have to cut open my new rs-232 cable. Thanks, "KMA-68!!" >>>>>S S<<<<< !!!!!!!!!!!!! #: 6811 S7/Telecommunications 20-Sep-90 15:17:06 Sb: #6790-#term help Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: edward langenback 73510,145 (X) Is it possible that you've patched xcom9 and bbterm to use T1 for the bitbang driver? Do you have type (parity) and baud values set properly for T2? Did you remember to include ACIAPAK and T2 in your boot file? What are you using for a cable between your modem and the serial port? Tell us a little more about what you've done, and what happens when it fails and we should be able to figure out what the problem is. Bill There is 1 Reply. #: 6814 S7/Telecommunications 20-Sep-90 16:26:19 Sb: #6811-term help Fm: edward langenback 73510,145 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) help insert list ok, here it is... patched xcom9 and bbterm? no, instead i used the BITBANG.ar descriptors and driver when i was using xcom9 and bbterm through the bit banger. type and parity were set properly ACIAPAK and T2 are in the boot file. (i used a fresh copy of the system master to boot with) the cable is a 6' shielded rs232 cable from radio shack. i also installed the jumpers between pins 6, 8, and 20 as i was advised in a prievious msg here. this setup works fine with BOTH the telcom package in the level 1 version of deskmate, AND with Ultimaterm. (am using Ultimaterm and the above setup now) bbterm starts up normally, but in terminal mode, nothing is echoed to the screen, and none of the AT commands give any responce from the modem. xcom9 also starts normally, but echo's random characters, the following is an example.... ff`ff~`Fxf~`@f`f`~~x~``fx`~~xxx`fxfxf`~fxfffff`d~`xxfx>ffx~~fx`x`~~`xx~`f~~xx@f~`f~f``f`fff~ffff>ffff8ffff~xxf~f|~fdf~fffFf~fff ffDxffDff~8ff this looks similar to what i've seen when Ultimaterms baud rate was not set correctly, however i got this output after i had used XMODE to set the type and baud. (though i also got the same kind of output before using XMODE too) thanks for any help... #: 7114 S7/Telecommunications 02-Oct-90 00:04:17 Sb: #Thanks Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X) The problem I'm having isn't with the linefeeds. I'm a section leader (assistant SysOP) on another forum of CIS. When I access the SysOP area I can only upload and download using B-protocol or MODEM7 (like in Easyplex). Telstar won't use these protocols. What is MODEM7? I guess as Mike said I will need to change my terminal program. Not being very knowledgable in OS9 I don't look forward to making changes. Thanks, Butch Mooney There is 1 Reply. #: 7217 S7/Telecommunications 05-Oct-90 23:27:16 Sb: #7114-#Thanks Fm: Greg Morse 72746,3451 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) modem7 is an early version of xmodem. they should be compatible. since modem7 was designed to exchg files it does not (usually) mess about with the contents of the data stream. since os9 uses a single CR as a newline while the rest of the world uses a cr/lf pair the display of files on a bbs often does not work. either the bbs or os9 must convert cr to cr/lf at some point. in a straight upload (read etc) this is done. but in xmodem both ends leave the contents alone. I dont have your original message but the problem you described did sound like a line-feed problem. if it was then xcom9 gives you the option of converting cr to cr/lf even in xmodem mode. There is 1 Reply. #: 7225 S7/Telecommunications 06-Oct-90 07:29:06 Sb: #7217-Thanks Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Greg Morse 72746,3451 (X) Thank you very much for the information. The strange things is Telstar does the samething. I can do a CR or CRLF in or out or both directions. That is why I don't think it was a linefeed problem. Butch #: 7120 S7/Telecommunications 02-Oct-90 04:45:06 Sb: #Thanks Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) MODEM7 is a very OLD term for Xmodem. I'm sure you'll discover (if you haven't already) that Telstar will work in that mode but if it doesn't add linefeeds it won't help much. Like Greg said too, Xcom9, available here, will do that trick. Another thing you might consider is to look in the Libs here for a utility to make a copy of the file and add line feeds to it offline. Lotsa ways to skin a cat. Welcome to sysop heaven. There is 1 Reply. #: 7122 S7/Telecommunications 02-Oct-90 09:10:18 Sb: #7120-#Thanks Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Mike Ward 76703,2013 (X) Thanks for the information. It is very helpful. Learning about sysop heaven (grin) and OS9 at the same time is a little to much. (frown) If I wasn't for the people here in this forum I don't know what I would do. The service doesn't know a thing about OS9 so I would be in the dark. Butch There is 1 Reply. #: 7146 S7/Telecommunications 03-Oct-90 07:38:00 Sb: #7122-#Thanks Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch, just curious .... where are you sysoping these days? Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 7153 S7/Telecommunications 03-Oct-90 10:32:29 Sb: #7146-Thanks Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Hi Steve, I'm at the Horse Section of the PETS Forum. New as of Feb. this year. Butch #: 7291 S7/Telecommunications 11-Oct-90 20:19:02 Sb: #uucp utility Fm: Brett Wynkoop 72057,3720 To: all Greeting- I just uploaded one of my utilities that was not done in time to make it with the rest of the uucp package. it is called uutry and works simmilar to the unix program of the same name. It kills tsmon on the correct port then starts uucico then restarts tsmon after uucico is done with the call. I use it out of cron to automate my calls to other sites. It runs setuid to root to allow any user to force a poll to a remote machine. I gave it that feature so Suzanne could force polls to my Sun at work. BTW if anyone in the New York metro area needs a uucp feed I would be happy to oblige. wa3yre has 2 good network connections. On another note if anyone in the New York area wants net mail or wants to get the os9 mailing list, but they do not want uucp they should also contact me. I figure no time like the present to see how much this little old 6809 can handle! -Brett uucp...........hombre!marob!davidge!wa3yre!wynkoop direct.........212-942-0846 Login: guest /ex There is 1 Reply. #: 7352 S7/Telecommunications 14-Oct-90 05:15:05 Sb: #7291-#uucp utility Fm: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 To: Brett Wynkoop 72057,3720 (X) how can I get access to a USENET node. I am in Atlanta and I do not know of any USENET nodes as of yet. There is 1 Reply. #: 7450 S7/Telecommunications 16-Oct-90 22:12:14 Sb: #7352-uucp utility Fm: Brett Wynkoop 72057,3720 To: SCOTT HOWELL 70270,641 (X) ~ Greeting- I do not know any contacts in your area, but I am sure there are uucp sites there. Many companies and Universities run unix and have uucp up and running. If you want to call New York I am setting my machine up as a uucp gateway. -Brett uucp..........hombre!marob!davidge!wa3yre!wynkoop direct........212-942-0846 login: guest #: 7302 S7/Telecommunications 12-Oct-90 09:10:09 Sb: #Help modpatch Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: ALL Hi, I have never used modpatch before. The Telstar manual suggest making the patch: modpatch 1 aciapak c 383 46 3c How would I go about doing this? Thanks, Butch Mooney There is 1 Reply. #: 7303 S7/Telecommunications 12-Oct-90 09:24:33 Sb: #7302-Help modpatch Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch... type "modpatch -?" for a help message. Also read MODPAT.TXT in Lib 10 here (if it's still around). However, try this: Type: modpatch -s (this means silent mode) (then wait until it's in memory and type:) L aciapak (that links to aciapak module) C 0383 46 3c (that changes byte at offset $383 from $46 to $3C) V (that reverifies aciapak module) CTRL-BREAK ("ESCape" leaves modpatch like end-of-file) Now aciapak is changed and reverified, which means you now need to save it back out to disk. If you don't have save, look in Lib 9 here I think. Or: if you are willing to change aciapak on bootup each time (instead of saving out as above and making a new bootdisk with the patched module), type the above 3 lines (L,C,V lines) into a text file, and you should be able to put "modpatch filename" (filename = the text filename) in your Startup file... and it'll be run each time you boot. Yell if not clear. Experiment a bit first and see what happens. #: 7306 S7/Telecommunications 12-Oct-90 16:53:25 Sb: #UUCP.AR Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: All What is UUCP.AR ?? Is it a Term program ? >>Rod<< There are 2 Replies. #: 7312 S7/Telecommunications 12-Oct-90 21:46:43 Sb: #7306-UUCP.AR Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) It's not a terminal program. It's an archive of a collection of programs that make it possible for computers that use a particular protocol to send one another files. Using it, computers running OS-9/6809 Level Two can hook into a very large collection of systems collectively called USENET. #: 7321 S7/Telecommunications 13-Oct-90 05:04:43 Sb: #7306-UUCP.AR Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 (X) Hi Rodney! uucp is an acronym and stands for Unix to Unix Copy Protocol. It comes with Unix/Xenix and now we have it for OS9 and OSK. The package comprises many programs allowing one to write, send, receive and read mail and to transfer files to/from any site similarly equipped throughout the world. Normally, connections are made to nearby sites (mostly colleges and universities and that site will transfer to an adjacent site and so forth until the mail/file is delivered (may take several days or even weeks). UUCP is not interactive with you terminal. It is normally invoked as a background task by 'cron' and proceeds on its merry way executing instructions you have previously entered. Also, assuming you leave your computer and modem on all the time, other sites can call you and pickup/ leave mail and files. It's really a great package and Mark Griffith deserves acolades galore for his efforts. If you decide to try it, there are several of us on the forumn who use it and will be glad to assist you getting started. I suggest you pull it down and read the docs - they tell you much more. Ed #: 7311 S7/Telecommunications 12-Oct-90 19:58:43 Sb: #HELP Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kevin, Thanks for the help I will give it a try. Let me ask you about one other problem. I'm using OS9 Level II, Telstar, and DynaStar. Being a section leader on the Pets Forum I uploaded a announcement. CIS's Manager's Manual says to use a hard at the end of each line. That is what I thought I was doing when I hit the enter key at the end of each line with DynaStar. But not so, the announcement was not what I wrote. I did the same thing with RS-DOS and Word Power and the announcement was just as I made it. Why couldn't I do this with DynaStar? Can I change one of the filters in Telstar to correct this problem? Thanks, Butch Mooney There is 1 Reply. #: 7317 S7/Telecommunications 12-Oct-90 23:52:14 Sb: #7311-HELP Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 (X) Butch - Hmmm. Have to find someone using Telstar to answer that. Yes, the key should put a hard in all the editors I know. Perhaps Telstar is placing a LF in there also? Easy way to check: do you have a dump or ded util to look at the file you have on disk? Look at the file and see if you see 0D (returns) in there where you expect them. #: 7333 S7/Telecommunications 13-Oct-90 09:56:47 Sb: Thanks Fm: Butch Mooney 76702,1126 To: Kevin Darling 76703,4227 (X) Hi Kevin, You are right Telstar is putting a LF in there. Because that is the way I set it up. I didn't know enough to turn it off when sending a hard . I learned alot of new things today. Just so much to learn. Could not do this without your help. Thank you very much, Butch #: 7336 S7/Telecommunications 13-Oct-90 13:18:26 Sb: Conference Uploads ?? Fm: Rodney Harper 75130,1321 To: All I am seeking help in learning how to upload a lecture into Conference using one of several OS9 Terminals that I use. I have been trying just an ASCii dump of a file to the conference area, (after formatting each line to 40 charaters), but CIS responded ..> You are typing too fast... Wait 6 seconds before trying again <... or something along those lines. The Terminals that I use are: STERM 1.2 STERM 1.3 OSTERM 2.08 TELSTAR Has anyone had this problem before ? Can anyone make a suggestion on how I may be able to do this ? Thanks..... Rodney Harper Conference Coordinator FISHNET (Aquarium Fish Forums) GO FISHNET #: 7363 S7/Telecommunications 14-Oct-90 18:19:26 Sb: #VT-TERM/ANSI GRAPHICS Fm: John Ranck 73540,246 To: ALL Does anyone know of a terminal program preferably that can run under Wizor Wiz-Pro but must run under OS9 L-II that can inteert ANSI graphics codes to the format understood by CC3IO window driver. Thank You Mike Ranck. There is 1 Reply. #: 7385 S7/Telecommunications 15-Oct-90 13:10:21 Sb: #7363-VT-TERM/ANSI GRAPHICS Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: John Ranck 73540,246 Mike - there's a coupla ANSI gfx filter programs in Lib 10... I haven't used them but others have. Guys?? Look for ANSI* and see what you find. ANSIFI.??? maybe? #: 7365 S7/Telecommunications 14-Oct-90 21:05:22 Sb: #UUCP frustrations Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: all FLAME ON. After spending over an hour transfering UUCP.AR from dl 7, I was extremly frustrated to find that it was 6809 executable: 100% worthless to me. FLAME ON HIGH: If you absolutly MUST distribute binary executeables for one of the os9 arcitectures, please mark it as such in ALL annoncements of it. Source code is much more likely to be usable, fixable, and much less likely to contain viruses. (Yes, writing an os9 virus would be quite simple. If I though it would get people to distribute source rather than executable, I probably would write one.) The self-conflicting copyright notice (apperently based on the gnu public licence, with modifacations trying to make it so the author can make money on the code) makes it so I can't even give what I've downloaded away without having source code, which is not included and apperently only given to those who ask special for it. Even if I do get ahold of the sources for the 6809 and modify them to work on my 68k machine, I can't give, sell, or otherwise distribute the changes without more special permission. I'm getting pretty desperate for a uucp I can use on my qt20x and include with my distribution of C-news and rn. If I can't get the needed special dispensation, it looks like I'll have to port one of the freely available uucps myself. The main reason I haven't started doing so already is hearing about this one and not wanting to duplicate effort. If I sound frustrated, I am. I did get a good nights sleep before composing this message in order to calm myself down a bit. (compuserve sets a new record low for kermit througput: 561 cps on a 2400 baud modem. I thought my link to a machine over an overloaded eathernet that likes to take breaks of several minutes of no data transfered was horid, I regularly get 1500-2000 cps on it. I get in excess of 3000 cps on a mnp5 connection to a fast machine.) There are 7 Replies. #: 7368 S7/Telecommunications 14-Oct-90 21:59:56 Sb: #7365-UUCP frustrations Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) The author of what ytyou downloaded is working on an OSK version of UUCP. Does your qt20x run OSK? #: 7370 S7/Telecommunications 14-Oct-90 23:48:17 Sb: #7365-UUCP frustrations Fm: Jim Peasley 72726,1153 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Ummm... Robert The header for UUCP.AR states in no fewer than 3 places that it's for OS-9/6809. I don't see what the problem is??? ...Jim #: 7374 S7/Telecommunications 15-Oct-90 04:12:53 Sb: #7365-#UUCP frustrations Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Lester! UUCP for OS9/68000 is available in Library 12 - TOP4 and TOP5. This port was done by the guys in Munich. No source, though. Ed There is 1 Reply. #: 7375 S7/Telecommunications 15-Oct-90 04:13:53 Sb: #7374-UUCP frustrations Fm: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 To: Ed Gresick 76576,3312 (X) Robert! Sorry about the salutation - wrong name. My apologies. Ed #: 7384 S7/Telecommunications 15-Oct-90 13:08:40 Sb: #7365-#UUCP frustrations Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Even if there were OS-9 viruses circulating, how would a virus get into UUCP.AR? The only people who can alter the file are Mark and the Sysops. Don't you trust THEM? Do you think that authors should be able to profit from their hard work? If you really need QT specific software call FHL. How did you measure the speed of file transfers from CompuServe? The figures you give as "slow" exceed the maximum possible. William There is 1 Reply. #: 7429 S7/Telecommunications 16-Oct-90 18:05:22 Sb: #7384-#UUCP frustrations Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X) Hi William! Sorry you could not make it to the Fest. The IMS team was looking forward to meeting one of our most revered customers! Mark sends along his howdies. Paul There is 1 Reply. #: 7533 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 18:43:53 Sb: #7429-#UUCP frustrations Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 (X) Well if the next Fest is not on the third or fourth weekend of the month, I might be able to make it. What is your estimated shipping date now? William There is 1 Reply. #: 7583 S7/Telecommunications 19-Oct-90 23:38:49 Sb: #7533-UUCP frustrations Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: William Phelps 75100,265 (X) William, You know, I was so busy this week, that I did not check with the lab in Texas! Concerning the FCC testing, that is -weeks, but not much longer, my friend. Boy, it's gonna feel good to see those circuit boards rolling off the line. The manufacturer has his production design boards in hand and is programming his pick-and-place machines. Take care. Paul #: 7428 S7/Telecommunications 16-Oct-90 18:03:41 Sb: #7365-UUCP frustrations Fm: Paul K. Ward 73477,2004 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) UUCP for the MM/1 is working now under OSK. Paul #: 7431 S7/Telecommunications 16-Oct-90 18:22:02 Sb: #7365-UUCP frustrations Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Robert: I STRONGLY suggest that you download STERM from the OSK database here. It uses the Compuserve B protocol for downloading. I believe that the B protocol is a streaming type protocol that does not require an ACK after every block transmitted, this greatly increases throughput. When I download files from CIS this way, the RD light on my modem stays on solid until the file is completely downloaded. -J #: 7598 S7/Telecommunications 20-Oct-90 10:01:15 Sb: #7365-UUCP frustrations Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Robert, I'm sorry you found the UUCP port not to your liking. I believe I did mention a couple times that this was the OS9/6809 port. As for the lack of source code....I thought about this a lot and decided that the need to keep some control over the source and the port outweighed the desire to upload them. I think this is resonable given the year I spent doing the port and the time and money spent testing, talking to beta testers, etc. As I mentioned in the docs, anyone wanting the source code just needs to drop me a line and include $5 for the cost of the disk and postage. If that still doesn't seem resonable to you, then I can send it to you with no charge if you will send me a letter with your address. I also question your mentioning viruses. Since I nor anyone I know has seen or heard of an OS9 virus, I think it kinda unresonable for you to suggest that I might put one in the upload. If I were that smart, I'd have figured out a way to do it in less than a 250K file (grin). In any case, I do not expect this port to pass the detailed scrutiney (sp?) of a UseNet guru or any other experienced net hacker. It is as simple an implementation as I thought possible while still giving as much functionality as possible. It does work and hopefully will bring OS9 users that much closer to the real world. If you have any more questions, please feel free to call me since I am no longer available on CIS (at least for the next few months). Mark #: 7397 S7/Telecommunications 15-Oct-90 22:43:30 Sb: #UUCP in DL7 Fm: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 To: 76070,41 I'm curious what you used for the basic port, and if the DL7 upload contains source also? As on old uucp tinkerer who never gets time for it anymore :-) There is 1 Reply. #: 7599 S7/Telecommunications 20-Oct-90 10:01:22 Sb: #7397-#UUCP in DL7 Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Steve Sampson N5OWK 75136,626 (X) Steve, I used your Flex port as a starting point and changed much and added much. I must say, I would never have been able to do it if you had not posted your version of DCP by Richard Lamb. I found his coding style (or lack thereof) to be very hard to follow, while your code was simple, elegant, and much easier to trace through. Thanks. I would be happy to send you the sources if you'll just drop me a note. My address is: Mark Griffith 953 W. Wisconsin Ave. DeLand FL 32720 or Mark Griffith Stetson University Campus Box 8347 DeLand FL 32720 I can do 720K or 360K CoCo disks, MM/1 or Atari ST OSK 3.5 disks. Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 7602 S7/Telecommunications 20-Oct-90 11:38:01 Sb: #7599-UUCP in DL7 Fm: Steve Sampson 75136,626 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Well I'm glad someone found an use for it. I never did get my send-expect dialer code right. I had it half-ass on my flex-box, but it only worked long distance (timing) and not local. You probably fixed a ton of bent code to get where you are :-) #: 7435 S7/Telecommunications 16-Oct-90 18:59:27 Sb: #UUCP Fm: KEVIN JOHNSON 76475,1106 To: Mark Griffith 76070,41 Although I have not yet been able to use UUCP, for reasons following, I am very impressed with your Docs. They are such a pleasure to read. Are you a language buff? I have searched all over and have been unable to locate Cron or Go, can you advise where they are? Do you have a net directory showing a node for area 705, specifically Orillia, Ontario, Canada? There is 1 Reply. #: 7447 S7/Telecommunications 16-Oct-90 21:41:25 Sb: #7435-UUCP Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: KEVIN JOHNSON 76475,1106 Mark is, for a while, not going to be on CIS--I fear that your message to him will have scrolled off by the time he returns. Give DL9 a shot in search of cron and go. Probably the simplest way to find out what systems one might connect to is by inquiring at local universities or companies that are likely to use Unix. Past that, I don't know of anyone in particular in that area. #: 7449 S7/Telecommunications 16-Oct-90 22:10:02 Sb: uucp info Fm: Brett Wynkoop 72057,3720 To: all Greeting- Everyone who gets the uucp package needs to get the login package that Mark uploaded as well. This is needed for uusteup to work correctly. It gives encrypted passwords and the abaility for users to change thier own passwords. I think mark put it in the bbs dl section. If it is not there let me know and I will upload it myself. -Brett /ex #: 7469 S7/Telecommunications 17-Oct-90 18:19:49 Sb: #UUCP Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: ALL Could someone explain what uucp.ar is???? There is 1 Reply. #: 7471 S7/Telecommunications 17-Oct-90 18:44:19 Sb: #7469-#UUCP Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Phil - A gross simplification is that it is a Unix-like intersystem communication tool. It is complex, a bit weird to setup, requires a hard disk, a dedicated modem line, and a lot of patience. OS9/Unix wizardry is also a plus. Basically, it mails (and receives from) other systems via the modem. It is the backbone of a multi-site (thousands) multi-system network called USENET, among other things. Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 7536 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 19:43:02 Sb: #7471-#UUCP Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Hi Pete-- Is it like a BBs and can you use it instead of a terminal program? What's a dedicated modem? There are 2 Replies. #: 7541 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 21:59:14 Sb: #7536-#UUCP Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) By "dedicated" in this context is meant that the modem is not used for anything else. UUCP isn't like a BBS--the computers involved call one another up and trade information without direct human control or supervision. There is 1 Reply. #: 7605 S7/Telecommunications 20-Oct-90 13:22:44 Sb: #7541-UUCP Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Thanks James--Then it's nothing special! #: 7554 S7/Telecommunications 19-Oct-90 11:39:36 Sb: #7536-#UUCP Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 (X) Nope - couldn't be farther from a BBS. A dedicated modem is one that people aren't trying to use as a phone line as well. I.e., a second phone line in your house. Optimally, UUCP runs best with separate dial-in and dial-out lines, although skullduggery (sp?) can be used to 'flip' the line's roles. I believe Bob Larson uploaded some definition files describing some of the UUCP (and other) concepts... why not have a gander there first... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 7606 S7/Telecommunications 20-Oct-90 13:24:18 Sb: #7554-UUCP Fm: PHIL SCHERER 71211,2545 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks for the info Pete--it sounds like an interesting project!! #: 7500 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 00:02:40 Sb: Net definitions uploaded Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: all I've uploaded my definitions of a number of network and related terms in the file "nets" in dl7. (It's longer than compuserve allows in a message.) If you are wondering what usenet, uucp, and the Internet are you might want to take a look at it. #: 7501 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 00:19:21 Sb: reply to message 7370 Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: sdf Upon rereading my own article, apperently one nights sleep wasn't enough time to calm down properly. Apologies to all for the tone of the message. I am a usenet junky who grabs the messages form compuserve around once a week. Their software is very different from what I am used to and like, and I only continue because of the limited number of os9 people on usenet. Considering how little I use it, I consider $7/month high priced. (I try to minimize interaction with compuserves software, and now use rn to read the messages I've downloaded.) Compuserves funky extra headers associated with files are not something I am realy used to, although I knew they existed. #: 7502 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 00:20:30 Sb: reply to message 7374 Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: all Complied code is always inferior to source, and I never distribute it. My system has my own customizations that have a high likelyhood of interaction with packages like uucp, so there is a good chance that a uucp set up for a vanila osk system would work sub-optimaly. From what I have seen and heard of TOPS, they make different changes, and much of their software won't work without those changes. Because of my disagreement with the copyright on it, I will not be installing any TOPS software requiring "getinfo". (The TOPS authors and I have some fundamental disagreements which have been discussed at length in comp.os.os9. As with most such discussions, noone changed their mind.) I will not install any free software I do not have source to. #: 7503 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 00:21:21 Sb: #reply to 7384 Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: all Authors who are willing to distribute executable code without source are likely to be people who would run executable code from other such authors. If you do not see the problem with this, you don't understand how viruses work. Commercial messydos and mac programs have been distributed with viruses. It does appear that compuserve has made some needed improvements to their kermit. The previous bug of insisting on 8-bit quoting when it is avaialable is gone, and long packets are now supported. I did make a mistake which wound up not requesting long packets (which compuserve kermit now supports). I have not tested whether compuserve kermit supports windowing yet, c-kermit 5a (the first unix kermit that supports them) was still in alpha test not ready for porting to osk last time I checked. Obviously I meant 561 bits/second, not characters/second. The short tests I have made with long packets enabled show reasonable throuput of about 1500 bps. (Still half what I get under execelent conditions at v.22bis (2400 baud) mnp5 (compression). I'll try v.32 (9600 baud) v.42bis (better compression) when I receive the new modem I have ordered.) Speed is as reported by the status command of c-kermit. There is 1 Reply. #: 7579 S7/Telecommunications 19-Oct-90 23:22:46 Sb: #7503-reply to 7384 Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) The last time I checked CompuServe's modems only support MNP level 4; so, You will never get the speed you want. However B+ is a LOT faster than Kermit, so transfers using it should approach your ideal speed. William #: 7504 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 00:22:05 Sb: #reply to 7431 Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: all I cannot see downloading and supporting a compuserve-specfic protocol for the 1 file a year I download. Uploads I refused to do because of compuserves previous lowsy version of kermit and charge for uploads ($.25/hour isn't free) I consider their loss not mine. There are 2 Replies. #: 7518 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 10:26:00 Sb: #7504-reply to 7431 Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) $0.25/hour is a *LOT* cheaper than any other network, be it Telenet, Tymenet, Accunet, AT&T long distance or Sprint or MCI. Shoot, it's so much cheaper, it's almost as if they are paying *you* to upload ! If I submit to a uucp gateway in NYC, it costs me mucho more than that just in long distance charges (and I live in New Jersey). (FWIW, it really doesn't cost me a thing from work). You're right, it's our loss, not yours, though. Mark #: 7547 S7/Telecommunications 18-Oct-90 23:43:06 Sb: #7504-reply to 7431 Fm: Wayne Day 76703,376 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) You're right, Robert... $0.25/hour isn't free. Neither is the electricity for all those computers and network lines that provide the service to the folks that use it. If the $0.25/hour is the only stumbling block to your uploading something, let us know. We'll either send you a couple of quarters, or give you the address of a SYSOP that will be glad to upload your files for you. If you can't see using a CompuServe proprietary protocol that gives a significant improvement in throughput over any other protocol currently in use, then it would do no good to try and convince you otherwise. But you're wrong when you say it's "their" loss and not yours, Robert. If you consider yourself a member of the OS-9 community, then you share in the loss that occurs when we are unable to reach over minor stumbling blocks to exchange information that makes the system better off for all of us. Wayne Day forum manager #: 7626 S7/Telecommunications 21-Oct-90 14:53:20 Sb: upload prices Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: 74030,332 Newsgroups: compuserve.os9.comm Subject: Re: reply to 7431 References: [Appologies for the silly message titles of my previous batch of replies, I assumed that if you can upload a message, and can reply to a message, that you should be able to upload a reply to a message. Compuserve doesn't follow that logic, so this isn't a reply as far as they are conserned.] In article 74030.332@compuserve.com (Mark Wuest) writes: >$0.25/hour is a *LOT* cheaper than any other network, be it Telenet, Tymenet, >Accunet, AT&T long distance or Sprint or MCI. (Compuserve has raised their upload rates to $.30/hour.) At 1500 bps kermit long packets v.22bis mnp4, compuserve uploads are about $.55/megabyte, ignoring the time at $.21/min charged for the per file setup and the monthly account maintance fee. Compserve is designed assuming there is a human available to respond when each file is transfered, so add about $20/hour for my time. At 12000 bps uucp PEP, UUNET uploads and downloads are about $2.00/megabyte (nightime 800), ignoring per-call (not per message) setup time, monthly account maintance, and assuming you pay bills resonably promptly. If you are working with compressable files, it will be cheaper. (PEP is 14.4 kbps max before compression.) UUCP is designed for computer to computer transfers, it can be done automaticly at any convient (for the computers) time. The incramental cost of data over the NSFnet section of the Internet is virtually non-existant. (It uses fixed-cost links, enough volume will require a higher-bandwidth higher-priced link.) Since I do have such access at no cost to me via a local (no incramental cost) phone call from home, it costs me nothing to send and receive files via the Internet or usenet. I do so using v.32 mnp4, and am getting about 4500 bps on kermit. > Shoot, it's so much cheaper, it's almost as if they are paying *you* > to upload ! Somehow, this logic slips by me. #: 7627 S7/Telecommunications 21-Oct-90 14:54:43 Sb: #uploading Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: 76703,376 Newsgroups: compuserve.os9.comm Subject: Re: reply to 7431 References: In article 76703.376@compuserve.com (Wayne Day) writes: >If the $0.25/hour is the only stumbling block to your uploading >something, let us know. Not realy. It's more my time, compuserve's poor support of kermit, (which has improved sometime in the past couple of years since I last tried it), and the principal of the matter. > We'll either send you a couple of quarters, Give them to Mark Griffith, he apperently needs them more. >If you can't see using a CompuServe proprietary protocol that gives a >significant improvement in throughput over any other protocol currently in use, Kermit sliding windows long packets is about 15% slower than theoreticly possible. (Binary files, faster on ascii.) Zmodem is about 1% slower than theoreticly possible. When compuserve supports Zmodem, I'll consider porting rz and sz to osk. As far as I know, B+ is slower than Zmodem. I think compuserve is wasting it's own resorces and it's customers money inventing yet another file transfer protocol. I frequently use a kermit implementation done by one of compuserve's compeditors, who invented the sliding-window enhancement as a way around the inherent limitations of an x.25 network. v.32 (9600 baud) modems are now available under $500. Good brands that also support v.42bis compression are under $650. It is time for compuserve to plan hardware upgrades. I recomend watching the usenet newsgroup comp.os.os9 if you want access to my software as it becomes available. Small os9 specific things get posted directly there (which means they arn't archived unfortuanatle), other things are available from comp.sources.misc, comp.sources.unix, the columbia kermit archives, etc. with postings on comp.os.os9 pointing them out. I've never posted anything there with a restriction that would prevent you from uploading it to compuserve. There is 1 Reply. #: 7629 S7/Telecommunications 21-Oct-90 15:17:43 Sb: #7627-uploading Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 rz and sz have already been ported to OS-9/68000. I haven't looked closely at the source, but it exists. #: 7628 S7/Telecommunications 21-Oct-90 14:56:03 Sb: #uucp Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: all Newsgroups: compuserve.os9.comm Subject: Re: UUCP frustrations References: [I've also sent this message to Mark Griffith via Internet/bitnet gateway.] In article 76703.4255@compuserve.com (Steve Wegert) writes: >I'm sorry you found the UUCP port not to your liking. I believe I did mention >a couple times that this was the OS9/6809 port. I am quite willing to start from os9/6809 source code, and that was what I expected. The announcments on compuserve made no mention of it being 6809 specific or object code only. (The header displayed by the browse command did mention it, but I knew I wanted UUCP for my machine, so I didn't look there before downloading.) >As for the lack of source code....I thought about this a lot and decided that >the need to keep some control over the source and the port outweighed the >desire to upload them. I guess I've just never felt this "need to keep control". Modified versions should be labled as such, but that does not mean they should not be distributed. > I think this is resonable given the year I spent doing >the port and the time and money spent testing, talking to beta testers, etc. I've spent lots of time on some pretty big projects too. Beleive me, mg 2a beta testing on 8 different operating systems was non-trivial. (+1 if you count cpm/68k which was given up on fairly early, -1 if you don't count msdos which missed the release deadline and was added after.) > As I mentioned in the docs, anyone wanting the source code just needs to > drop me a line and include $5 for the cost of the disk and postage. There is no such mention in the supplied documentation. (Yes, I did read it.) If I had you would have your $5 by now. The copyright file requires such a notice, but there is none. >I also question your mentioning viruses. Since I nor anyone I know has seen or >heard of an OS9 virus, I think it kinda unresonable for you to suggest that I >might put one in the upload. I do not believe you would INTENTIONALY spread a virus. Do you believe Press !> #: 7633 S7/Telecommunications 21-Oct-90 16:54:26 Sb: #7628-#uucp Fm: Steve Sampson 75136,626 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Maybe Mark should remove the uucp from the download area. That way the people who want source won't feel they're cheated, and those that want uucp function will be screwed. You could always design your own program and then you wouldn't have to beat on Mark... There is 1 Reply. #: 7645 S7/Telecommunications 22-Oct-90 03:36:30 Sb: #7633-#uucp Fm: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 To: Steve Sampson 75136,626 (X) I too would like to publicly thank Mark and all others that worked on this important port. I have understood from previous messages regarding the UUCP, that at least two people were working with Mark on UUCP for OSK. Was I mistaken??? Or was this specifically for the MM/1??? I understand and respect people selling their work for profit. I do not understand people releasing their work as freeware% with the statement that it may later become a commercial release. It either is or it isn't. Bob %meaning copyrighted software freely distributed, but not for commercial use. There is 1 Reply. #: 7666 S7/Telecommunications 22-Oct-90 18:14:26 Sb: #7645-#uucp Fm: Steve Sampson 75136,626 To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 (X) I may be wrong in my assessment, but I believe that when you release the source by uploading it, then others modify it and re-upload. Mark appears to be of the school where he will send you the source, but would like any changes routed through him for incorporation. That way all the uucp gadgets speak the same lingo and offshoots don't throw the whole system out of wack. If I read that right, he's doing good. There is 1 Reply. #: 7685 S7/Telecommunications 22-Oct-90 23:56:41 Sb: #7666-#uucp Fm: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 To: Steve Sampson 75136,626 (X) Steve, I believe that *anyone* modifying someone elses code and distributes the modified code against the authors stated wishes should be hanged by the family jewels! (unfortunately the stinkin' judges won't let me - sigh) The problem with Mark's UUCP is that unless someone else is doing an OSK port, those of us who will *not* use TOP code is SOL. So the question remains...is someone doing this??? Why reinvent the wheel? Bob Larson has stated that he will do the OSK port if he can get Marks permission to do so as the copyright will not allow *any* changes to the code otherwise. Bob There are 3 Replies. #: 7687 S7/Telecommunications 23-Oct-90 07:08:40 Sb: #7685-#uucp Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 (X) Bob, Mark wrote the 6809 port with migration to OSK in mind. I know for a fact that he has it running on MM/1 as we speak. There's even some talk of bundling it with the MM/1 when they start shipping. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 7713 S7/Telecommunications 24-Oct-90 01:11:33 Sb: #7687-#uucp Fm: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks Steve and Zack. We will contact Mark. An excellent idea to bundle UUCP with the MM/1! BTW, I don't have Marks net address, (should have noted it! ) Could you or anyone post it for me? ABTW, does anyone have any notion how many people are using OS-9 as an exclusive OS rather than a development system for embedded applications? Thanks much. Bob P.S. I jumped in here in hopes to clear the air before someone got hurt feelings. The *real* question has been answered. There is 1 Reply. #: 7716 S7/Telecommunications 24-Oct-90 06:49:00 Sb: #7713-#uucp Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 (X) Bob, I'll tend to use Mark's INTERNET address from CIS: Griffith@STETSON.bitnet.edu If you'd like to try the UUCP path: ... !uflorida!ki4pv!macs!stetson!rewop!sysop or, there's the BITNET path: GRIFFITH@STETSON Hope this helps Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 7742 S7/Telecommunications 25-Oct-90 01:36:20 Sb: #7716-uucp Fm: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thanks Steve! Bob #: 7693 S7/Telecommunications 23-Oct-90 14:51:20 Sb: #7685-uucp Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 (X) Mark has _already_ done the OSK port of UUCP. It is to be distributed free of charge with IMS MM/1s. Zack #: 7734 S7/Telecommunications 24-Oct-90 20:42:58 Sb: #7685-#uucp Fm: Kevin Pease 70516,1633 To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 (X) Mark has alerady done the OSK port of UUCP I am Crrently beta testing it and hav not had manny problems with it. Mark has some things to fix in it and will be uploading it one of these days. It is currently running on the MM1 and I am testing it on a GIMIX 03 and looking for errant pointers with the spu so that it will not crash anyones computer. Kevin PEase 70516,1633 There are 2 Replies. #: 7737 S7/Telecommunications 24-Oct-90 22:28:48 Sb: #7734-#uucp Fm: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 To: Kevin Pease 70516,1633 (X) Kevin, just curious, what was the result of your drystone program on the Gimix 30 or 03 as you mistyped it. And I thought I had the only unique machine with my 680030! Frank There is 1 Reply. #: 7744 S7/Telecommunications 25-Oct-90 04:43:58 Sb: #7737-uucp Fm: Kevin Pease 70516,1633 To: Frank Hogg of FHL 70310,317 (X) The gimix 030 runs 6000-6125 drystone/second. It is quite fast. As a side note I have a 68030 controller that runs 7500 drystons/sec at 20 mhz with 2 cycle memory. The fastest number that I have seen on a 20 mhz 030 and OS9. also I f someone mentions that there 030 has no wait states ask how many cycles the memory access uses as if it is 3 then there is actually 1 wait state. The Gimix 030 actually runs 2 wait states as it has 4 cycle access. If your Kbus machine also runs 4 cycle access which it should to support the 68k bus then it is also 2 waitstate. also the benchmarks were run with the cache enabled in all cases on the 030. Kevin Pease 70516,1633 #: 7743 S7/Telecommunications 25-Oct-90 01:36:21 Sb: #7734-#uucp Fm: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 To: Kevin Pease 70516,1633 (X) Thanks Kevin, The light now shines brightly on UUCP for OSK! Hopefully Bob Larson will jump in and help with the beta! (that's a HINT, Bob :-) ) Bob There is 1 Reply. #: 7745 S7/Telecommunications 25-Oct-90 04:46:19 Sb: #7743-uucp Fm: Kevin Pease 70516,1633 To: Bob Taylor 73270,3124 (X) Since Mark Grifith is temporarily off the forum the only way to contact him is througt bitnet. I dont have marks bitnet address as I just let my computer call his as it is verry in-expensive. if bob wants to email me a message I will forward it to Mark. Kevin Pease 70516,1633 #: 7639 S7/Telecommunications 21-Oct-90 21:03:12 Sb: UUCP --- huh? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All With all the confusion over what exactly UUCP is and what it can do, as well as what's required to make it work, I have uploaded two files to the Telcom Library (LIB 7) that might help shed some light. Taken from Mark Griffith's monster archive UUCP.AR are: UUCP.TXT - - - the UUCP manual. This document explains the workings of Mark's 6809 UUCP port. It is not a tutorial on UUCP. UUCP.REQ - - - system requirements. What do you need to run the UUCP port. I'm still looking for a good description of UUCP. If/when I can find that, I'll add it to the collection. These files will be viewable after the 2:00 am (CDT) merge-o-matic. Steve #: 7657 S7/Telecommunications 22-Oct-90 15:25:11 Sb: #7629-#uploading Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Robert, TANSTAFL (you know - There Ain't No Such Thing As a Free Lunch). Someone pays for those leased lines between the computers, believe me. And they also pay the incremental for the higher bandwidth links. > Somehow, this logic slips by me. Good. I was kidding. I'll refrain from now on . Mark There is 1 Reply. #: 7681 S7/Telecommunications 22-Oct-90 21:17:05 Sb: #7657-#uploading Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: Mark Wuest 74030,332 (X) I think it is supposed to be spelled TANSTAAFL. There is 1 Reply. #: 7688 S7/Telecommunications 23-Oct-90 07:48:45 Sb: #7681-uploading Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Oops - I couldn't find my dictionary when I was composing that message . #: 7659 S7/Telecommunications 22-Oct-90 15:27:59 Sb: #7629-uploading Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James, Disregard msg #7657. Mark #: 7658 S7/Telecommunications 22-Oct-90 15:27:08 Sb: #7626-upload prices Fm: Mark Wuest 74030,332 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Oops, see message #7657. It's meant for you. Mark #: 7710 S7/Telecommunications 23-Oct-90 22:25:24 Sb: #7626-upload prices Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Uploading of replies can be done; if it could not, then you would not be reading this message. It is interesting that you mention the cost of NSFnet. However, what you did not mention was that NSF is subsidized by the government. What do you think the chances are of a company like H&R Block getting a subsidy. There is a small chance if all 600,000+ subscribers write to their Congresspersons. And just so you will have real figures, I suggest that you try B+ once -- even if you NEVER use it again. William #: 7858 S7/Telecommunications 28-Oct-90 18:31:58 Sb: Serial Port in Distress Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 To: ALL I have just bought an SCII with the 3-in-1 board, and I can't seem to get the serial port to work. I have been using Osterm, but it never sends enything to the modem. I ended up putting the RS232pak in and going back to Telstar. My multipak has a satellite board, the 4 pin8's are tied together, and the diode hack is installed in the coco 3. I also tried patching acaipak and using the T2_FF54_slot4.dd descriptor CRC provides. What programs are you people using with the 3-in-1 board ?? TC #: 7968 S7/Telecommunications 03-Nov-90 17:22:52 Sb: #Terminal Program Fm: REX GOODE 73777,3663 To: All Does anyone have a communications program they can send me so I can get started using this forum from my OS9 and CoCo3? I'd be willing to pay for the media or the program if it's reasonable and works. My IBM AT at work is drudgery. My CoCo3 with OS9 is complete fun. I tried Tandy's Color Compac from Disk Basic, but it just doesn't work for downloading. Rex There is 1 Reply. #: 7972 S7/Telecommunications 03-Nov-90 21:13:04 Sb: #7968-Terminal Program Fm: Randy Wilson 71561,756 To: REX GOODE 73777,3663 (X) Rex, Email me your address, and I'll send you a "CARE package". Oh, better include your system specs. (i.e. drive size/type, 128 or 512 memory, modem type, etc.) Randy #: 7994 S7/Telecommunications 04-Nov-90 22:09:06 Sb: #uploads Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: 75100,265 (X) Newsgroups: compuserve.os9.comm Subject: Re: upload prices References: In article 75100.265@compuserve.com (William Phelps) writes: >Uploading of replies can be done; if it could not, then you would not be >reading this message. Alright, what is the magic incantion to upload a reply using the kermit protocol? (Mes upl 6 is for new messages only.) >It is interesting that you mention the cost of NSFnet. However, what you did >not mention was that NSF is subsidized by the government. True, but not to the extent the arpanet was. The local subnets pay for themselfs. > What do you think >the chances are of a company like H&R Block getting a subsidy. Hughs, Xerox, Sun, TRW, DEC, Apple, and many other for-profit companies are on the Internet. H&R Block might be able to find a justifaction if they realy wanted on. There are also commercial Internet networks that receive no government subsidy. Alternet is $250/month 9600 baud slip connection, (always available) or $2500/month for full T1 (1.5 Mbps). Add appropriate telephone line costs, which vary widly. (Slip may be done on a normal phone line.) >And just so you will have real figures, I suggest that you try B+ once -- even >if you NEVER use it again. Like I said, even if it manages to reach the theretical maximum, it isn't worth the time and effort. B+ is an obscure protocol only used on an obscure expensive BBS. There are 2 Replies. #: 8001 S7/Telecommunications 04-Nov-90 23:07:06 Sb: #7994-uploads Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) Bob - Set your user options (GO DEFALT) so that your protocol is Kermit (or whatever). Then, when in the messages editor, type: /UPL on a new line. Pete #: 8011 S7/Telecommunications 05-Nov-90 08:40:11 Sb: #7994-uploads Fm: William Phelps 75100,265 To: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 (X) The "magic incantion" assume you have set the default protocol to Kermit and the default editor to Edit. Send the string "REPLY mes#"; in this case mes#=7994. Option #1:Then send "/UPL"; upload your message. Option #2:Then send your message text. To send as ASCII the lines must end in hard s, XON/XOFF must be used, and MNP is suggested. Dependent upon how the message text ends, the string "/EXIT" may need to be sent. Finally send "POST". Notes: Other forms of the above commands may be used to upload messages. It helps to use an editor that will insert the s. Also, this entire procedure can easily be automated in macros. William #: 7995 S7/Telecommunications 04-Nov-90 22:10:14 Sb: Mark Griffith's address Fm: Robert A. Larson 75126,723 To: 76703,4255 (X) Newsgroups: compuserve.os9.comm Subject: Re: uucp References: Distribution: compuserve In article 76703.4255@compuserve.com (Steve Wegert) writes: >I'll tend to use Mark's INTERNET address from CIS: > >Griffith@STETSON.bitnet.edu That address won't work, there isn't a "bitnet.edu" domain. >If you'd like to try the UUCP path: > > ... !uflorida!ki4pv!macs!stetson!rewop!sysop Good luck, and avoid rabid rerouters. I have yet to see this work. >or, there's the BITNET path: > >GRIFFITH@STETSON griffith@stetson.bitnet will work at Internet sites supporting an ugly hack. I'm not sure if compuserve's Internet gateway does. griffith%stetson.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu should work, relying on a different ugly hack. As always, precede real addresses with the >Internet: incantaion on compuserve. #: 8111 S7/Telecommunications 10-Nov-90 22:38:14 Sb: #!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: All Anyone else out there have a Gold Star GSM2400 modem? I own one, and so far, it's only had one quirk, namely that of randomly thinking it has gone onhook when it really hasn't... ...BUT, now that I'm trying to use OSTerm in remote mode, I can't make it work to save my soul. I set S0 to some appropriate non-zero value (3). I have bit 7 of S14 cleared, which supposedly puts it in answer mode. Despite this, when someone tries to dial in, the modem answers, but doesn't detect carrier. I'm getting within epsilon of throwing the modem across the room. Any and all ideas are welcome at this point. There are 2 Replies. #: 8113 S7/Telecommunications 11-Nov-90 10:41:45 Sb: #8111-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) You don't have carrier detect forced high as you have to have it for dialing out do you? If so, you seen to force it back low. Hayes command would be AT&C1. Zack There is 1 Reply. #: 8114 S7/Telecommunications 11-Nov-90 11:17:36 Sb: #8113-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Zack Sessions 76407,1524 (X) Thanks. I'll give that a try. There is 1 Reply. #: 8226 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 07:37:30 Sb: #8114-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) James, some modems won't switch from using ORIGINATE to ANSWER freqs. When you set them up the revert to using ORIGINATE. So you hafta include a command to use ANSWER. (like the switch on the M-100). 'nuff said? There is 1 Reply. #: 8257 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 22:11:38 Sb: #8226-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Nuff said--thanks for the advice. I did finally get it to work...the manual for that modem is, um, not at all easy to find stuff in. There is 1 Reply. #: 8270 S7/Telecommunications 17-Nov-90 08:34:19 Sb: #8257-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) JJ, What was the magic combination? Got a guy over on the CoCo forum that having problems with his Goldstar. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 8274 S7/Telecommunications 17-Nov-90 12:37:06 Sb: #8270-!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Ack! I thought I had it written down...it's probably on a piece of paper that I can't find now, but...aside from stuff that I turned on because OSTerm wants to see verbose results of commands, the important stuff was ATS0=1&C1, I think. #: 8115 S7/Telecommunications 11-Nov-90 11:39:01 Sb: #8111-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Assuming that your Gold Star GSM2400 is attached to a computer and you a trying to dial in to that computer: is DTR high from the computer or the modem set to ignore DTR? Are you trying to dial in to an OSK system? If so I've got some hints on how to set up the modem in a file on my disk here somewhere. Could you provide more details as to what your hardware configuration is? There is 1 Reply. #: 8123 S7/Telecommunications 11-Nov-90 17:49:52 Sb: #8115-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Jay Truesdale 72176,3565 (X) I'm using my CoCo 3, hooked up via a Ken-Ton dual ACIA cartridge. xmode output shows type=0, i.e. loss of carrier doesn't kill processes on the port. As for modem settings, let's see... It says S21=0, which implies in particular that DTR is ignored. Perhaps I should change that... There is 1 Reply. #: 8161 S7/Telecommunications 12-Nov-90 21:34:25 Sb: #8123-#!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Jim, I'm also using the Ken-tron dual aciapak. /t5 is my dial out ... /t4 is dial in. Until I switched over to another tsmon type utility, the command string I sent the dial in modem to initialize was: ATE0M0Q0S0=1V0X4&c1&d2 The S0=1, &c1 and &d2 should be the critical parameters. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 8168 S7/Telecommunications 13-Nov-90 06:03:28 Sb: #8161-!#$% modem & answer mode Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Great! I will give that a try. Thanks! #: 8133 S7/Telecommunications 12-Nov-90 09:02:59 Sb: #Games Fm: Keith O'Donnell 73730,1233 To: all I am running a 4 line bbs on a coco3 with 1 meg upgrade. It has been running good for about a year and better after the upgrade the only thing it is lacking somewhat on good online games. Does anyone know where I could get some have gallactic comflict and pertascii. Keith OD There is 1 Reply. #: 8144 S7/Telecommunications 12-Nov-90 13:57:55 Sb: #8133-Games Fm: edward langenback 73510,145 To: Keith O'Donnell 73730,1233 (X) well, OS/9 Lvl 2 BBS v3.0 from Alpha software tech includes a shareware version of Galactic Conflict. a pretty good one, completely configureable by the sysop. i've had it going on my board for over a month now, and i haven't had any problems with it. (other than finding time to play [;)] ) "KMA-68!!" >>>>>S S<<<<< !!!!!!!!!!!!! #: 8157 S7/Telecommunications 12-Nov-90 20:15:46 Sb: Games Fm: Keith O'Donnell 73730,1233 To: Edward Langenback ? Thanks I have that version. I bought the Alpha software BBS but was not satisfied with it. It ran ok for 2 users but since it seems to keep all processes running when they are not needed therefore the farther into the board a user goes the more processes are running the result is when two or more users are on and I do a procs I get a long line of processes running resulting in the user 3 not being able to do anything but change menus. I am usually a locally written board which drops each program if it isn't using it. As for the Gallactic game I got in touch with the writers and am now running a Version 4.02 which is designed for a multiline board and will allow up to 3 users to be playing the game at once. It seems to work very well. If you hear of anything else I might use would appreciate if you dropped me a message. Thanks Keith OD. #: 8187 S7/Telecommunications 14-Nov-90 22:47:44 Sb: uucp bug (uucico) Fm: Brett Wynkoop 72057,3720 To: all Greeting- I have just found and curred a bug in uucico that slipped through testing. Sorry guys! The problem has only happened for me with system names in the Systems file longer than 6 characters. If you try to originate a call to a system with more than a 6 character name strange things may happen. Most of the time uucico trys to write to stdout instead of the desired port. It leaves the window frozen on exit. I have made the fix and am awaiting Marks reply about how to distribute it. The work around is to not put any systems in your Systems file with names longer than 6 characters. -Brett uucp........marob!davidge!wa3yre!wynkoop #: 8190 S7/Telecommunications 14-Nov-90 23:52:41 Sb: #Kermit Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: David 71630,721 (X) Dave - didja get it to work over there in Practice? I did. Just browsed upon a file and said: dow /pro:kermit then escaped to a shell and said: "kermit ril /t2" and it came down. Ooops. It also asked for a filename for my disk after the "dow" command. Slow tho! I'll stick to using STerm and B protocol . - kev There are 2 Replies. #: 8196 S7/Telecommunications 15-Nov-90 07:10:52 Sb: #8190-#Kermit Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, at the risk of misunderstanding the essence of your comment, please allow me to make an observation. I use Kermit at work to transfer files from a mainframe to a pc at 19.2 with pleasure at the speed. I tried the CIS kermit recently expecting to see an improvement and found it slower than xmodem! Perhaps the CIS implementation is inefficient?? Regards, Ches. There are 3 Replies. #: 8199 S7/Telecommunications 15-Nov-90 14:49:18 Sb: #8196-#Kermit Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Ches - David and I were just kinda mucking around, trying out our first kermit downloads from CIS . Our kermits don't have sliding windows or anything fancy, and so I wouldn't expect them to be as fast as async protocols like B or (?? zmodem??)... I'm no comm expert, I just know what goes fast for me over a huge network ;-). I guess you were directly hooked up at work with the PC? Should kermit be as fast/slow as xmodem? thx! - kev There are 2 Replies. #: 8200 S7/Telecommunications 15-Nov-90 15:09:59 Sb: #8199-#Kermit Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) I'm no comm guru either, but I would expect kermit to be faster since it can underscore can use larger blocks. The work connection was through an internal telephone system using codecs rather than modems, but functionally its the same as dialing up thru a modem. The available bandwidth is larger, or course, thus permitting 19.2 transmission. But even at 2400 or 4800, kermit seems fast at work. I say seems since I can't use xmodem or any ?modem there - only kermit for file transfer - but watching the bits and bytes come through it seems fast. In running kermit from home at 2400 on CIS, it appears far slower than xmodem. Regards, Ches. There are 2 Replies. #: 8201 S7/Telecommunications 15-Nov-90 16:28:31 Sb: #8200-#Kermit Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) The trouble is, I don't know how CIS packets things up locally at the node... i do notice that the ACKs don't come back as fast as they would with more direct connections. Maybe one of the gurus here knows what's what. - kev There are 2 Replies. #: 8206 S7/Telecommunications 15-Nov-90 20:34:35 Sb: #8201-Kermit Fm: Mike Ward 76703,2013 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, CIS doesn't implement a very fancy Kermit. It suffers from the same things that xmodem does in that each packet must be ack'd before the next can be transmitted. In a packet switching network the size of CIS the interpacket delays can be as long as the time it take to transmit a block sometimes. Add to that Kermit is implemented with very small blocks (64 bytes I believe) and you can see that it's not very efficient. Full B-protocol is really the way to go on CIS especially since the sources are available. Mark did a nice job of doing just that with Sterm. #: 8224 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 07:36:55 Sb: #8201-Kermit Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, the comments by Pete and James are illuminating. Maybe CIS will someday find a way to improve their Kermit, meanwhile, ?modem is fine for me here and I'll use Kermit elsewhere. Regards, Ches. #: 8209 S7/Telecommunications 15-Nov-90 23:06:57 Sb: #8200-#Kermit Fm: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Kermit defaults to using blocks that are about 94 characters. More overhead than Xmodem, although other niceties make up for (i.e. no padding, etc.). The CIS folks have acknowledged that their kermit is far from optimal.... Pete There is 1 Reply. #: 8223 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 07:34:11 Sb: #8209-Kermit Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: Pete Lyall 76703,4230 (X) Thanks for info, Pete. BTW, I now have an MT-32 and enjoying a drum capability far better than the TX81 (of course). Difference between Roland and Yamaha sounds in these two implementations is quite interesting too. Thanks for your comments. Ches. #: 8212 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 05:00:09 Sb: #8199-#Kermit Fm: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev It seems that the redeeming quality of kermit on CIS is that you don't get the extra characters at the end of the files. However, I think I'll stick to the faster protocols and work through the extra characters ;-). Dave There is 1 Reply. #: 8239 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 10:13:35 Sb: #8212-#Kermit Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 (X) Dave - you don't get extra bytes at the end of files which were uploaded with B protocol either... that's the catch tho... if someone uploaded with xmodem, then I think the junk is permanently attached ;-). There is 1 Reply. #: 8249 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 16:31:37 Sb: #8239-#Kermit Fm: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, Just to see if I understand this correctly, the extra bytes at the end of an xmodem transfer is a padding so that the final packet sent is full? ie. if the packets are 128 bytes each, and the final packet only contains 100 bytes, xmodem fills in the remaining 28 bytes with bogus characters? Dave There are 2 Replies. #: 8252 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 19:57:49 Sb: #8249-#Kermit Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 (X) Dave - as I understand it, yes. I believe the default filler is ctl-Z's, which is the old CP/M end-of-file character (if I'm wrong, I'm sure I'll be corrected ;-). To get around that, the Mac guys came up with MacBin format... where the first packet is a header with the real size of the file, and some other helpful info. Bill Brady did a similar deal for the coco with CoCoBin. Newer protocols don't add filler bytes (I suppose because the length is specified in handshaking first??), and most people just ignore the older file errors ... like when Ar or Ident etc cough on the extra junk. I'm definitely not a serial guru.. but there's a bunch of those here. I hope they jump in to save my tail . - kev There are 2 Replies. #: 8254 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 21:07:22 Sb: #8252-#Kermit Fm: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev...thanks any idea if I can get B+ as a stand alone program to install on KBCom? I know, I know...tooooo many questions :-( -dave There is 1 Reply. #: 8258 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 23:50:21 Sb: #8254-#Kermit Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 (X) Sounds like a question for Mark Griffith who did one of the B+ ports. If KBCom lets you escape to a shell, then you could just call up STerm that way (like the way we were calling up kermit). There is 1 Reply. #: 8286 S7/Telecommunications 18-Nov-90 05:07:28 Sb: #8258-Kermit Fm: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Well, KBCom calls up an overlay window for kermit. It gets the baud rate,rs232 parameters, and window params from parameter files. I'm going to try to see if I can get Sterm up on an overlay window and then kill when I'm done downloading. -Dave #: 8323 S7/Telecommunications 19-Nov-90 06:13:58 Sb: #8252-#Kermit Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev, the newer protocols *do* fill. But they xmit the filesize as part of the header. The host, *if* it implements the protocol properly, uses that to trim the file. MacBinary and CoCoBinary are both designed to be transparent to the host, it makes not diff what protocol is used. Right now the "hot" mode is ZMODEM and MNP Class 5. That combo yields a 4x to 8x speed improvement. There is 1 Reply. #: 8330 S7/Telecommunications 19-Nov-90 09:35:47 Sb: #8323-Kermit Fm: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Ah. So the newer protocols do fill. Learned something new! thx, Bill! - kev #: 8256 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 22:09:46 Sb: #8249-#Kermit Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 (X) You hit the nail on the proverbial head. Xmodem was designed as a protocol to ship files from one CP/M disk to another, and since CP/M doesn't know the lengths of files as anything but the number of 128-byte sectors they consume, that was good enough for it. There is 1 Reply. #: 8285 S7/Telecommunications 18-Nov-90 05:02:21 Sb: #8256-Kermit Fm: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Thanks James, at least I finally understood something!! #: 8203 S7/Telecommunications 15-Nov-90 18:34:18 Sb: #8196-#Kermit Fm: James Jones 76257,562 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Nope--it's not CIS's implementation, save to the extent that it doesn't support sliding windows or long packets. CIS transput is via a network that introduces some hefty delays, so that protocols that don't do what is called "sliding windows" or "send ahead" take a major performance hit. There is 1 Reply. #: 8225 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 07:37:24 Sb: #8203-Kermit Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: James Jones 76257,562 (X) Thanks for comments, James. Regards, Ches. #: 8232 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 07:58:03 Sb: #8196-#Kermit Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Ches, kermit works fine on direct connect, but lousy via a packet switching network. It's due to the small blocks which get stuffed into bigger 'padded' packets on the network. Throughput on NASABBS is horrible. There is 1 Reply. #: 8251 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 18:05:41 Sb: #8232-#Kermit Fm: Ches Looney 73016,1336 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Well, hello there!!! We need to get together and exchange happenings. I have a new synthesizer and have continued to enjoy the 1100. I see you gave in to temptation and ordered a Tomcat. I'll be interested in hearing of your discoveries on that beauty. Also want to chin a bit on the other two new ones. Are you in the tall building most of the time now? How's your back and nerve problems?? Regards, Ches. There is 1 Reply. #: 8295 S7/Telecommunications 18-Nov-90 11:36:02 Sb: #8251-Kermit Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Ches Looney 73016,1336 (X) Yup, still there, but I have moved to the 12th floor. The Bell's went away but does the arthritis ever? Mayhaps you guys can make it down to the country over the holidays? New synth eh? #: 8211 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 04:56:04 Sb: #8190-Kermit Fm: DAVID DE FEO 71630,721 To: Kevin Darling (UG Pres) 76703,4227 (X) Kev...I finally got Kermit working....the reason it wasn't working was really DUMB!!!... I'm on CIS with 7 Even 1....for kermit to work you need 8N1...AAAArrrgh!!! BTW...it is really! slow. Which brings me to my next question :-): I've just started using DBCom, and I was wondering if there is any way I can get B+ to work on it via the hot keys. Do I have to call up Sterm or is there a B+ program alone that I can use. I looked in Lib 7 but didn't see a stand alone B+ prog. I know Sterm is great on Cis because of B+ but I really like DBCom because of its VT-100 emulation and macros(thanks Eddie Kuns!) BTW...thanx A LOT for your help the other night!!! #: 8217 S7/Telecommunications 16-Nov-90 06:55:53 Sb: #7858-#Serial Port in Distress Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 (X) Tony, I get an awful lot of phone calls re the 3 in 1 & Wiz. In many cases the board transmits but does now receive. This is due to the interrupt not making it to the CPU. I have not seen one, but I users have reported that they have fixed the problem by soldering a wire between the satellite board and the main board. Apparently the interrupt crosses via a single pin that pulls out when the cover is put on... due to cables pulling on the board. There is 1 Reply. #: 8280 S7/Telecommunications 17-Nov-90 20:30:48 Sb: #8217-#Serial Port in Distress Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Bill could you maybe be a little more explicit on what needs to be done or give me the name of some of the people that have had this problem. By the way, I'm not using the Wiz (sorry) I was using osterm. But now since it won't dial the 3 in 1 I have had to resort to Telstar and the Rs232 pak. Also my SCII seems to be loosing interrupts when I am using the floppy drives. Help ? TC There are 2 Replies. #: 8298 S7/Telecommunications 18-Nov-90 11:46:30 Sb: #8280-#Serial Port in Distress Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 (X) Don't be sorry because you *will* lose characters with any OS-9 Term program except Wiz. :-) As to your SCII problem, the only way to get more specific is to call me while you are in front of your CoCo. 301-952-1761. There is 1 Reply. #: 8313 S7/Telecommunications 19-Nov-90 00:29:40 Sb: #8298-#Serial Port in Distress Fm: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 To: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 (X) Cute, Bill. I really did like the Wiz, but I got lost between all the updates and enhancements that I found on CIS and Delphi. However I disagree with you on the fact about loosing characters on RS232. While I was using Osterm, I never had those kind of problems. I only had lost characters with Telstar and my old rs232 pak. Now I have a new rs232 pak as well as the diode hack. There is definitely something wrong with my old pak. Wanna hear something wierd, Since I bought my 3 in 1 I can't get Osterm to even Dial my rs232 pak. In fact usually when I run Osterm now it hangs my system. So the only way I could get on CIS was to use a borrowed rs232 pak and to go back to telstar (which has lots of bugs). Boy do I miss Osterm! You can be sure I'll be calling to talk to you, the people at CRC and Tony himself are no help at all. Kevin has been tryiong to help me recently. But I think I am having more IRQ problems. I think my SCII was working better with the .sleep driver. Looking forward to talking to you. TC There is 1 Reply. #: 8322 S7/Telecommunications 19-Nov-90 06:06:34 Sb: #8313-Serial Port in Distress Fm: MOTD Editor..Bill Brady 70126,267 To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 Any terminal program that uses ACIAPAK/T2 will loose characters above 2400 baud. No interrupt is required to transmit to the modem. The IRQ don't come into play until until it's time to receive. If you have a TD or SD light on your modem, try to see if it is blinking when you tap a key. (with your term program running, of course.) If you don't have the lights you might want to invest in one of the little RS232 "tateltales" that the shack sells. #: 8326 S7/Telecommunications 19-Nov-90 06:35:28 Sb: #8280-Serial Port in Distress Fm: Colin J. Smith 73777,1360 To: Tony Cappellini 76370,2104 Tony, Right now I am using a SCII with a 3 in 1 and OSTERM. I am having no problems with it (no lost characters, etc) even at 2400 baud. Have you patched OSTERM and TRANSFER with the available patches? I don't know if it will help, but it might. Are you using a Super Controller II? Hope this is some help, --Colin #: 8271 S7/Telecommunications 17-Nov-90 08:40:50 Sb: UUCICO bug? Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All Mark Griffith again asks permission to speak from exile: <<<>>> From rewop!sysop Sat Nov 17 06:04:01 1990 Received: by rewop (Rmail09 1.2) id 9170; Fri Nov 16 07:12:48 1990 From: rewop!sysop To : OS9stl!steve Date: Fri Nov 16 07:12:36 1990 Subj: None File Transfer Steve, Could you please post this message on the OS9 Forum for me? Thanks! Section 7 will do fine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: UUCICO bug reports Brett Wynkoop posted a report stating that UUCICO had a bug where any sitenames with greater than 6 characters in them would cause all sorts of garbarge to be printing on the screen and leave your screen and or port locked when it finanlly exits. This is not completely right -- if the sitename your are trying to connect with is longer than 8 characters, this may happen. However, UUCP sitenames are supposed to be 8 characters or less according to my available documentation. Also, the UUSETUP utility won't allow you to enter a sitename of greater than 8 characters. Therefore, this should not happen. Future editions of the software will be corrected so if a sitename greater than the maximum is needed for some reason, no errors will occur. Thanks, Mark Griffith Usenet ....!uflorida!ki4pv!macs!stetson!rewop!sysop UUCP direct (904) 736-1849 rewop!sysop Internet griffith@stetson.bitnet