#: 17420 S5/OS9 Users Group 23-Jan-93 03:09:21 Sb: Good to See It! Fm: Todd Cooper 76526,2751 To: Wayne Wayne - This is great! Last year I was told you guys didn't have any real (i.e., used often enough so it's not a pain) way of exchanging EMail. Tell whoever is responsible that it is appreciated! Toddly #: 17496 S5/OS9 Users Group 09-Feb-93 12:00:40 Sb: #For Sale Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: all I am unfortunately going to have to sell my COCO 3 and accessories. With engineering schooling, I just don't have time to even use it anymore. I have the following for sale: 1 - COCO 3 512k, 63B09E, 20 meg H/D, 1-3.5" & 1-5.25" floppy, all in an custom AT style case, w/ 101 keyboard. It runs on a Disto SCII w/ 4-in-1 board. 1 - COCO 2 64k (white) and the following accessories: 1 - CM-8 monitor 1 - SlotPak 3 (like Multi-Pak interface) 1 - RS232 (COCO Pro version) 1 - 2400 buad modem 1 - CGP 4-color 4" line drawing graphics printer 1 - FD502 controller and empty drive case w/ p/s 1 - full height H/D case with p/s 1 - spring loaded joystick 1 - mini graphics drawing pad (for joystick port) 1 - color mouse 2 - soft moving joysticks 2 - Hi-RES Joystick interfaces plus all the software and books I have: i.e. OS9 Level I & II, Multiview, OS9 Profile, Word Power 3.0 (excellent word processor), many commercial games, 20-3.5" disks full of UUCP library files (all .ar'ed), and many more. Books: 6809 machine language, many magazines, COCO3 repair manual, etc. All for $300.00, I'll split shipping. Or, if I get enough individual offers, totaling at least $200.00, I'll seperate things. Call Bob Leet at (602) 992-3016 or leave a message at 72020.2536@Compuserve.COM There is 1 Reply. #: 17519 S5/OS9 Users Group 12-Feb-93 22:28:58 Sb: #17496-For Sale Fm: Brother Jeremy, CSJW 76477,142 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 Sold to Br. Jeremy, CSJW #: 17579 S5/OS9 Users Group 28-Feb-93 03:00:20 Sb: #17496-For Sale Fm: James 72467,1036 To: BOB LEET 72020,2536 Hi bob Is the printer you're sell the Tandy CGP-220? If so, you have a buyer!!! James #: 17581 S5/OS9 Users Group 28-Feb-93 18:05:35 Sb: For Sale Fm: BOB LEET 72020,2536 To: James 72467,1036 James, Sorry, it isn't, but Brother Jeremy bought everything already anyhow. Thanks anyway, Bob////// #: 18180 S5/OS9 Users Group 25-May-93 00:07:53 Sb: #0s9/msdos Fm: Paul Thomson 100250,165 To: all Does anyone know of any utilities to read\write OS9 disks on MSDOS systems? I have a floppy disk from an OS9 system which is 80 Track 26 sectors per track, 256 bytes per sector. I can sucessfully read the raw sector data by reprogramming the DOS drive table but as yet I know nothing of the dic Paul Thomson There is 1 Reply. #: 18206 S5/OS9 Users Group 30-May-93 03:30:31 Sb: #18180-#0s9/msdos Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Paul Thomson 100250,165 Hello Paul Try to look in lib12 for a demoprogram called OS9MAX. The 'real thing' will do want you want. There should be an address for the supplier also. if you need more help, please contact me. ole@danlec.dk There is 1 Reply. #: 18207 S5/OS9 Users Group 30-May-93 11:40:13 Sb: #18206-0s9/msdos Fm: Bud Hamblen 72466,256 To: ole hansen 100016,3417 Bear in mind that you need an 80286 or better to run OS9MAX. It wouldn't work on my 8086. #: 18367 S5/OS9 Users Group 01-Jul-93 13:37:36 Sb: PRM! Fm: Tony van der Hoff 100113,2200 To: Richard Proctor 100031,604 Richard, >> Actually I wonder what the average usage of CIS is? << My use doesn't come anywhere near yours... On average, I log on twice a week, Wednesday evenings, and Saturday mornings, but if something exciting is brewing, then other times as well. Very occasionally, even at peak times, but only for urgent EMAIL. Mostly this is to read/send EMAIL (about 3 messages/week each way), and to access the forums: UKCOMP (read 05; scan 11), CEFORUM (scan 11), VIRUSFORUM (scan 01, 02 & 05), MSLANG (scan 01, 15 & 17), OS9 (read 11, scan 01, 05, 12, 14 & 15). In all, about 3 minutes average on-line time per session. Occasionally, interactive access to the various databases, (afraid I tend to use CIM :-( for that, because it makes it easier to navigate around the system if you don't know your way). On-line time varies, but may be up to 1/2 hour per session. I haven't (yet) distributed software through EMAIL, instead using Telix point-to point; but hope to do so in the future, for which I would choose Arctic. My modem handles no more than 2400 baud I'm afraid. I thought I was really pushing the limits of technology when I bought my first (300 baud) modem some 10 years ago; when that got hit by lightning (like yours - only it took my COM1 port on the PC out as well), I replaced it with the present WS3000 about 3 years ago. I don't think for my present usage 9600 would be cost-effective, especially given the higher on-line charges. Tony #: 18387 S5/OS9 Users Group 05-Jul-93 16:52:30 Sb: OS9 Contractors Fm: Nick Terry 100042,3116 To: All Can anybody put me in touch with some contract software engineers with OS9 experience? We are located in Cambridge, England and have a number of contracts that we need people for. Experience of machine control systems is of particular interest. All leads gratefully received, Cheers Nick Terry #: 18392 S5/OS9 Users Group 06-Jul-93 17:16:08 Sb: OS9 Contractors Fm: Nick Terry 100042,3116 To: Graham Trott 100115,1075 (X) Thanks for the lead. I will contact them and see what their terms are. At the moment we have 6 big projects on 5 of them using os9 and we are a bit overrun with work. Still this should be seen as a good thing after months of silence! Cheers Nick #: 18425 S5/OS9 Users Group 19-Jul-93 19:38:07 Sb: #18387-OS9 Contractors Fm: Bill Sutphin 72401,1770 To: Nick Terry 100042,3116 Did you get Bill West Inc? I can give info if you want. He's doing work for me. Bill Sutphin #: 18466 S5/OS9 Users Group 28-Jul-93 15:55:42 Sb: #OS9 Contractors Fm: Nick Terry 100042,3116 To: Bill Sutphin 72401,1770 Would like the info but being U.K. based overseas contractors are a bit difficult to control! Regards Nick There is 1 Reply. #: 18478 S5/OS9 Users Group 29-Jul-93 17:27:49 Sb: #18466-OS9 Contractors Fm: ole hansen 100016,3417 To: Nick Terry 100042,3116 Hello Nick. Call Microware UK and ask for Tony Mountyfield (+44)703601990. He can show you fast-track. regards ole@danelec.dk #: 18563 S5/OS9 Users Group 19-Aug-93 17:32:00 Sb: International UG news Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: All Scarfed from the COCO LIST {++} With the recent discussions on the money of the UG and the upcomming Atlanta Fest I realised I hadn't given a financial overview of the 'donation'-campaign held to get the international OS9 usergroups together. I really owe one especially to those whom contributed their efforts. Let's first examine the cost. Please note that these are not exact figures but they ressemble the exact figures very closely. I just rounded them up to make it easier to calculate: First off, we had 4 rooms for 3 days and 1 room for two days at the Holiday Inn resulting in a $550 cost. I didn't keep exact figures on what I spend for food and drinks, let's assume this will total to $12 a person a day. With 8 people for 3 days that totals to around $300. Before the Fest we visited MicroWare in Des Moines. As we were going with 5 people (from Europe and Japan), I rented a full size car being $350 for the week. (We used the car for another 3 days after the show though I made the deal with the EUROS9 group that we could sell their newsletters and FU/6809 if we'd pay for these extra days, we'd probably payed around the same ammount if we'd only kept it for 4 days anyhow). As for miscellanious cost during this trip to MicroWare, I calculated $100 which sacrifies for the hotel-rooms the Japanese used on the way up and down to Des Moines. Although we originally intended to pay for the trip of one person of the various groups to come over, we didn't make that ammount. In the early stages I already agreed upon paying $400 towards the trip of Stephen. The rest of his ticket was payed by MPL (the company Stephen works for) as well as the EFFO. With no money at hand after the show, I also gave 10 books to the Japanese which they could sell for around $400 as well so they'd be getting a similar ammount. I haven't made an arrangement in this sort with Gordon Bentzen from Australia though. I will look into a possibility for doing so in the near future, though as Gordon didn'd come over just for the Fest (like the Japanese whom payed $1500 for their ticket) I don't feel as bad about this as on the deal I had to make with the Japanese. If I add all these ammounts up: Hotel: $550 Car: $350 Food: $300 Stephen: $400 Japanese: $240 (the cost of ten books, they could sell them for $400) Various: $100 (See above on trip to Des Moines Total: $1940 On the other hand we received the following: Donations. These consisted of three parts: - Received by Carl Boll (before the show): $350 - Received during the show: $120 - Received by others before the show: $130 Total: $600 Books. As you know we sold the "OS9 Guru" book at the show. For every book sold we could keep $15 of the $40 price-trag. In total 45 books were sold, thanks to the Atlanta people for their group-purchase. The venue from the books was: $675 I had gotten a 100 books from Galactic. 45 of these were sold, 3 were given away for free (door-price), 2 went to Australia, 10 to Japan about 20 were left at Carl Boll's place for later sales (Atlanta?) the other 20 I took back with me (of both the ones that were left at Carl's place and that I took back with me some were sold in the meantime). We also had the EUROS9 backissues and the FU/6809 program. We sold around 20 back-issues sets and 15 copies of FU/6809. This totalled to about $500 If I add all these up: - Donations: $600 - Books: $675 - EUROS9: $500 Total: $1775 This leaves a gap of about: $165 which we received from the books sold after the Fest. Do keep in mind though that not all cost were included. I also made some (short) phone-calls to Australia and Switzerland, wrote quite a number of letters etc. My own "losses" are therefore limited to the money I still have in the books which were left over. My main concern though is that I've not been able to keep my "promise" to pay for the trip of one person for each group to come over. Especially the Japanese paid a fortune to come to Chicago just for the show (I've actually always included this chance when talking to these people that there would be no money, in fact, they've mentioned from the beginning they'd preferred to pay their trip by themselves but still I feel bad on this). The reason for this? Maybe I was too optimisitic, people had warned me for this all the time. I surely had hoped to sell some more of the EUROS9 stuff and maybe a couple of books. Neither of that has happened. Though we had a lot of fun and even despite some current 'silence' we've accomplished some in Chicago. As soon as the American OS9 usergroup gets on it's feet again and I've been able to get in touch with Chikara Yamaguchi (whose probably on holidays) we'll get back to work. In the meantime I will be going to Switserland to discuss the future of OS9 usergroups in Europe. I surely hope the US group will soon rise again (I hear a lot of good reports from the people who're working on this). I would like to thank all of those who've made this 'event' possible including (but not limited to): - EFFO - Carl Boll and others of the Glenside Coco Club - All those whom donated money. There were two people who donated $100!! - Chikara Yamaguchi and Masayugi Oya (Japanese OS9 usergroup) - EUROS9 usergroup If you have any questions, just drop me a note... Peter Tutelaers peter@center.stack.urc.tue.nl *- Steve -* #: 18777 S5/OS9 Users Group 11-Sep-93 19:21:44 Sb: #18745-#Program Editor Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill, do you use vi? Since vi comes with Unix, we have selected it as the generic editor at work. I use elvis (it is less buggy than stevie) on OSK and the PCs. It is solid and has everything real vi does. Of course, if you are more of an emacs man, you wouldn't like vi. Anyway, I can provide both binaries if you like. Carl There is 1 Reply. #: 18788 S5/OS9 Users Group 12-Sep-93 06:42:15 Sb: #18777-#Program Editor Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Carl Kreider 71076,76 (X) Carl, I use vi only when I have to . I never got a chance to work much with unix until about 6 months ago, now I'm taking care of a couple of Sparcstations being set up as network servers. One of the things on my list is to get emacs going on them so I can get away from vi. Actually vi isn't all that bad, once you get used to it, but I've been using me on my MM/1 almost since I got it. I haven't tried any of the OSK vi clones, maybe I should give them a try. It would be nice to have one editor to deal with, now I'm using about 10 different editors: two mainframe editors, four PC editors, one for unix, one for OSK, one for OS9 on my CoCo and one for OS-9000. -Bill- There are 2 Replies. #: 18801 S5/OS9 Users Group 12-Sep-93 22:16:40 Sb: #18788-Program Editor Fm: Carl Kreider 71076,76 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) I hear ya. I needed one editor too. I tried to learn emacs a few years ago and didn't like it. I finally gave up and wrote one, but switched to vi when the first clone came available. I said I run vi on OSK, DOS, and Unix, but I forgot to mention it runs on my ST also. Anyway, editors are like religion, and inspire about as much passion in discussions. Some folks like emacs style modeless editors. I much prefer an editor with seperate modes for text entry and changes, like vi. Drives me crazy to have to prefix everything with a meta char or two. I use the colon interface a lot for global changes and such (I maintain a lot of code vs. just entering text). But I never found a small enough vi or emacs for the 09. I just saw what looks like vi in the dls that runs on an 09 (it said OS-9, not OSK??) so perhaps that would help. I know you can get emacs like editors for the PC, and real emacs must exist for Unix. Or, elvis should compile on OS-9000 easily and I have working OSK and PC binaries if you want. As I reread this, I see and example of passion. I wrote an editor so I wouldn't have to use emacs..... Carl #: 18805 S5/OS9 Users Group 13-Sep-93 18:26:02 Sb: #18788-#Program Editor Fm: David George 72240,134 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) I can upload GNU Emacs 18.55 with complete source for Unix if you wish. It includes source (very big) which will compile on almost any Unix machine there is. I even compiled it on an SCO Unix 3.2 machine. Maybe someone could port it to OSK. I would work on it, but I am working on BASH first. I REALLY need a better shell for OSK it is hard working in OSK after using the Korn Shell on my Unix system at work (and at home). Geez, maybe I should ask if anyone else is working on BASH. Don't really want to do something that someone else already is. Anyone? It is supposed to go easier using GCC, but it is still rough going. David There are 2 Replies. #: 18806 S5/OS9 Users Group 13-Sep-93 21:05:19 Sb: #18805-#Program Editor Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: David George 72240,134 (X) > home). Geez, maybe I should ask if anyone else is working on BASH. Don't > really want to do something that someone else already is. Anyone? > It is supposed to go easier using GCC, but it is still rough going. > Looks like BASH has been done. I saw a reference to it on comp.os.os9 that pointed to a ftp site ( zelux7.zel.kfa-juelich.de ). I nabbed the file and will upload it to LIB 12 shortly. *- Steve -* There is 1 Reply. #: 18814 S5/OS9 Users Group 14-Sep-93 21:17:44 Sb: #18806-#Program Editor Fm: David George 72240,134 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Wheew. I'm glad someone else has already done it. It is a BEAST! I look forward to your upload of BASH. David There is 1 Reply. #: 18815 S5/OS9 Users Group 14-Sep-93 22:23:52 Sb: #18814-#Program Editor Fm: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 To: David George 72240,134 (X) David, I uploaded it this morning. I was waiting on the permission of the guy that did the port. You should find it in LIB 12 as bash.lzh. Steve There is 1 Reply. #: 18833 S5/OS9 Users Group 18-Sep-93 14:33:29 Sb: #18815-Program Editor Fm: David George 72240,134 To: Steve Wegert 76703,4255 (X) Thank you. I downloaded it last time I was on. Some interesting notes in the upload. Is he still working on the small differences? David #: 18809 S5/OS9 Users Group 14-Sep-93 01:51:30 Sb: #18805-Program Editor Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: David George 72240,134 (X) Thanks for the offer, David, but I've already nabbed that for the systems at work, I just haven't had the chance to compile and install it yet. I use 'me' on my MM/1, which works just fine. -Bill- #: 18784 S5/OS9 Users Group 12-Sep-93 03:01:42 Sb: #Program editor Fm: Graham Trott 100115,1075 To: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 (X) Bill -- I've uploaded the editor to the section 12 library. If you have any problems with it let me know. -- GT There is 1 Reply. #: 18789 S5/OS9 Users Group 12-Sep-93 07:16:52 Sb: #18784-Program editor Fm: Bill Dickhaus 70325,523 To: Graham Trott 100115,1075 (X) Graham, I got it, thanks. I've set it up, and tried it out, but haven't had a chance to use it much yet. Looks really good so far, nice work! -Bill- #: 18785 S5/OS9 Users Group 12-Sep-93 03:01:45 Sb: Program editor Fm: Graham Trott 100115,1075 To: Scott Howell 70270,641 (X) Scott -- I've uploaded the editor to the section 12 library. If you have any problems with it let me know. -- GT #: 19150 S5/OS9 Users Group 18-Oct-93 14:18:39 Sb: #19121-Program Editor Fm: Graham Trott 100115,1075 To: Jiou-Pahn Lee 73311,1704 I uploaded the editor to the section 12 (OSK) library a few weeks back. If it's not there let me know. I'll get the DOS version sorted out and mail it to you direct. Give me a few days - I'm up to my ears in work at the moment. -- GT